40 Acres, Steep!, 1 Mile Road; Need Advice

   / 40 Acres, Steep!, 1 Mile Road; Need Advice #131  
There is always has been and always will be a horsepower loss with hydrostatic drives.
It is a function of the design, and minimal operation at high rpm and high loads are a huge wear factor.
 
   / 40 Acres, Steep!, 1 Mile Road; Need Advice #132  
Sounds like you have been on multiple tractors with multiple equipment types.

But:

Have you compared two identicall tractors, one geared and one with HST??

I agree it would be interesting to compare the torque transmission numbers directly, but I don't think it is necessary.

I also agree that operated as you describe, the HST should theoretically be able to create an internal gear ratio so low that it would beat or at least equal a gear drive going up steep hills.

The reason that HST isn't able to do that is in the losses. HST has fairly large fluid efficiency losses, gears have almost no transmission losses.
HST with multiple ranges can give us a bit of the best of both worlds - especially so when those multiple ranges are in the form of sliding reduction gears connected directly to the rear axle.
rScotty
 
   / 40 Acres, Steep!, 1 Mile Road; Need Advice #133  
Sounds like you have been on multiple tractors with multiple equipment types.

But:

Have you compared two identicall tractors, one geared and one with HST??

Yes !

Some even in the same day on the same property doing the same task!
 
   / 40 Acres, Steep!, 1 Mile Road; Need Advice #134  
Pugemasta,
I operated heavy equipment all my working life and one idea you need to forget right now is that you can do anything with one pass. It just doesn't happen if you care at all about the end result. The most important thing to keep in mind is take your time and do it right. This will not only give you a better job in the end but will also go a long way in keeping you and your machine safe.
I'm sure it's been mentioned but I would not have a machine without TNT if you are using any type blade other than maybe a land plane.
The most important thing with operating equipment of any kind is time in the seat. There are no short cuts you just have to put in the time to learn. Some people pick it up a lot quicker than others, especially women, but it takes time and ,of course, patients.
Good luck

I second this, patience is a virtue while learning and even after you have figured it out.
Besides you will also increase your seat time, most everyone here will agree that working with our tractors is a major source of fun:D
 
   / 40 Acres, Steep!, 1 Mile Road; Need Advice
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#135  
Sorry for not keeping up with responses for several days. Got slammed at work and wasn't able to take a half day on Friday. However, I'll be taking Monday off and will spend some time at the dealer.

Ha, rScotty is right. I suppose I'm prioritizing ergonomics. No worries about the wealthy comment by the way. Felt like I had to chime in and it doesn't hurt for you all to know how financing weighs in on the decision either. I acknowledge I am better off than most. And thank you for your detailed post, #4 was very helpful. Logic told me weight could work against me once traction was lost and was looking for an answer like this.

Lots of interesting discussion on HST vs geared. Something to consider.

GSVette, glad your happy with the LS XR4155HC and sorry for forgetting your earlier post. It does seem like a very good option. Posts like yours are very helpful. The LS XR4155H is in the running for sure, especially if it prices out well as you indicate.

Will let you know how it goes at the dealer :thumbsup:
 
   / 40 Acres, Steep!, 1 Mile Road; Need Advice
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#136  
woolyAcres, thanks for pulling for me. I wanted to let you know I have not ignored your post and other's suggesting used equipment. Granted I haven't been keeping my eye out for used equipment online as much as I could, it is challenging, as you suggest, finding one that's a good fit. Interested to see what the dealers may have available. Will take a look at used online this evening.

Thank you to all others who have posted answers and opinions.
 
   / 40 Acres, Steep!, 1 Mile Road; Need Advice #137  
At a guess your land clearing and driveway/road building projects will be "first up".
Unlikely that I would tar them (for a while) and I wouldn't want to sling gravel around with a snow blower.
Front mounted blowers are expensive anyway, so with the above in mind I would pass on that.
A rear combination rake with drop down blade would have a lot more general use, regrading and re-crowning gravel road, dragging/shoving snow, etc.

Similar thought on a back hoe.
For that size tractor, probably big bux and if/when needed I would hire in a mini-ex (and probably its operator to get the job DONE and done quick).
Other spending opportunities ?
Grapple, assuming you will be cutting/clearing.
Stump grinder, if you want to clear to "pasture".
Take this for true; digging stumps is for chumps, the first one may be a novelty, second and third may be challenges, after that NO FUN and there are better things to do in life.
According to what you do longer term, post hole digger... maybe.

Yes to the Branson, though you could go quite a bit smaller without sacrificing function, e.g. my own 42 HP Kukje (Branson & Century are merely emblem engineered Kukje tractors) would be more than adequate.
No to JD - - anything from them is merely a green and yellow contract bought Asian tractor at a HUGE brand name mark-up.
Not sure of the model number equivalents, but some are the "same" as the Bransons with different decor - made in the same Kukje factory in South Korea.

I would probably get a good set of chains for it (& I did for mine)


EDIT:
Just read through the HST vs geared comments - inevitable I guess.
Lets put this out there yet again.

ONE thing that SOME folk seem to do in the back of their mind is to associate "geared tractors" with "Manual transmission" cars/trucks.
While it is true that both have clutch pedals and shift levers (several in the case of tractors) that is about where the similarity ends.
It can be intimidating to be faced with a geared tractor if all you have ever driven is automatic transmission cars/trucks, I get that.

With a geared tractor you do NOT have to (learn to) shift up and down through the gears as speed changes, i.e. the DRIVING is nothing like the driving of a manual trans car/truck.
You select a range with one lever, a gear with another and usually forward/reverse with a third - once rolling that is it, you stay in that gear and range until you stop.
A couple of other levers that some HST tractors have; 1) 4/2 wheel drive 2) Differential lock.

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afterthought;
About those basketball sized rocks that you might want to dig out, that doesn't take a back hoe.
If you will be getting pallet forks for building construction purposes, set them with a gap equal to about 3/4 the width of what you are trying to dig out.
Raise the loader, point the forks down and into the ground just in front of the rock/boulder, press HARD, curl/dump a couple of times for penetration if you need to, then curl and pry it out.
 
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   / 40 Acres, Steep!, 1 Mile Road; Need Advice
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#138  
Thanks reg, good post :thumbsup: I have been considering waiting on the backhoe to save cost. I think it would be so darn useful, but they sure are expensive. I feel like putting in the septic justifies a chunk of the cost, but renting would save more $ on the project. Would also like to add culverts and I hear they can be useful for building rock walls. Would be nice to not have to rent and might find more uses in the future, but they add such cost... I imagine most users here would suggest buying with the original purchase as I see a lot of uses for it. Not decided yet I guess, will have to think about it more.

Waiting on the snowblower, will see after trying with the back blade.

Sounds like I should add grapples and forks to the purchase. Wasn't planning on those at first, but seems like I may regret not having them.
 
   / 40 Acres, Steep!, 1 Mile Road; Need Advice #139  
A grapple is nice.

Pallet Forks are nice. With a hydraulically operated Top Link, Three Point Hitch mounted Pallet Forks are good and the tractor is more stable under load.

You probably do not need a grapple AND Pallet Forks.
 
   / 40 Acres, Steep!, 1 Mile Road; Need Advice #140  
Just a few comments - SSQA is NOT the way to go!
1 tractor - 1 implement :)

As far a waiting on weights - With any slope get your rears filled with something that can be emptied if need be. Implements make good ballast. A nice backhoe attachment should be good for almost 1,000 lbs.

Another option to think of is a ballast box with tool storage.
 

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