4320 do I load the tires or not

[Z-Michigan]

I will have to look this up! You're making me wonder if I should have skipped the rimguard!

If anyone comes across a link to this info, please post it here. I just searched the firestone ag website and did a google search on this but couldn't find anything.

 

[Nuru]

I will have to look this up! You're making me wonder if I should have skipped the rimguard!

If anyone comes across a link to this info, please post it here. I just searched the firestone ag website and did a google search on this but couldn't find anything.

Same here. i had a local tire place load my tires with anti-freeze on my recently traded in 4100 and it worked fine, but if weighs are better, then ok, i won't load the tires on my 4310.

 

[wolc123]

There may be some examples where "liquid in tires hurts your traction" but not many of them relate to tractors where loads must be pulled or pushed. In these cases, weight added to the drive wheels will always help your traction. My 2500 lb ford 8N struggles with a 12" 2-bottom plow with unloaded rear R1's, but load them with calcium and it easily pulls this plow in almost any soil condition. I guess maybe a tractor with a mid mount mower may suffer some loss in traction by adding weight to the tires but that is about the only case I can think of.

 

[art]

To have near equal cast weight it would do better and give you more traction because of the tire being able to flex faster absorbing changes in the ground contours faster. I don't recommend any one to run out and change but with making a new purchase is the time to buy right.

 

[RoyJackson]

I'd load them for the added stability filled tires give you. You can't get weight lower then filled tires can. The other advantage is increasing inertia (resistance to movement (side roll) in this case.
I'm sure the studies comparing cast weights vs. is quite valid for a commercial/agricultural tractor, however we noncommercial, non-agricutural CUT owners put very limited hours on our machines. I average about 70-80 per year and I'd wager that's close to most other TBNer's.

In our cases, filled tires are the most practical method of adding weight, IMHO.

 

[art]

Roy your right with your hours as far as an average per year. We do have some that put on less and some that put on a hundred a month. All tractors are not the same for weight balance with or without a loader and all need to be setup different.
We've just found far better performance with cast weights and not using liquid ballast not only in the ag but with the smaller tractors too. The tire wear on a well balanced four wheel drive(diameters matching) is far different then when they are not matched well often dropping to less then one thousand hours. It's your call but if you do loose your liquid ballast with a leak you can buy it again and the people who use solid ballast don't!

P.S. IF you don't loose it all and refill, then you might have a heavy side!
Not bad if you like circle tracks!

 

[GreenWannabe]

I recommend you check your 400cx manual. According to the information I have seen, JD recommends loading the rear tires, adding 4 rear wheel weights, and adding 1100 lbs. to the 3-pt hitch - in fact, they say that is the minimum required ballast for the 400 x loader, so probably more for the 400cx. If the manual is not specific, I suggest you ask your dealer to look it up in his sales guide for the 400cx.

 

[dwmaster]

Fill the tires you need the weight for that loader! What is right for a tractor that pulls a cultvator all its life and needs all the traction it can get has no berring on what a loader tractor needs. When your tractor starts to tip over it doesn't happen slowly. In order to add enough weight you would have to load the inside and outside of the rims. Do you really want weights sticking out from your rims that will rub things as you try to sneak by doing loader work in tight quarters?

 

[Z-Michigan]

I recommend you check your 400cx manual. According to the information I have seen, JD recommends loading the rear tires, adding 4 rear wheel weights, and adding 1100 lbs. to the 3-pt hitch - in fact, they say that is the minimum required ballast for the 400 x loader, so probably more for the 400cx. If the manual is not specific, I suggest you ask your dealer to look it up in his sales guide for the 400cx.

I don't have the JD manual on a 400x but that sounds like massive overkill to me. I think that would add up to something like 2500lbs of rear end weight, maybe more. My 5105/522 has more lift and with just filled tires (1500lbs total with rimguard in 16.9x28's) and a 400lb rear blade I can't make the rear end budge even slightly doing loader work.

IMHO, you need some ballast on the back end - which can by various combinations of filled tires, something on the 3ph (box blade or ballast box) and wheel weights. Too much weight on the back end simply slows you down - it's not going to make the FEL grow extra lift capacity.

 

[Nuru]

I'd load them for the added stability filled tires give you. You can't get weight lower then filled tires can. The other advantage is increasing inertia (resistance to movement (side roll) in this case.
I'm sure the studies comparing cast weights vs. is quite valid for a commercial/agricultural tractor, however we noncommercial, non-agricutural CUT owners put very limited hours on our machines. I average about 70-80 per year and I'd wager that's close to most other TBNer's.

In our cases, filled tires are the most practical method of adding weight, IMHO.

Yeah, I am looking for increased, anti-rollover stability, so that is why I am considering getting some hub extensions to widen the rear tire stance and maybe loading the rears. i also have a JD weight box for the 3PT but I have not had to use it yet. The 4310 does seem to need more weight on the rear when the loader is on the tractor though. i was using the loaders arms and the boom extension blade and the rears were occassionally slipping in my driveway in 2 inches of snow . But to be fair, I was trying the combo out for the first time and was completely unaware of the balance factor. I also was focused on the blade not being level, ..etc. i will probably end up filling the rears when I start mowing.