4520 disk size ?

[chevyman29]

Im trading my 4520 hydro in on a 4520 power reverser tractor . im also looking at a new tufline disc in the deal . its the HL91624 pictured here Agriculture T4X & HL Series Tandem 3-point Disc - Monroe Tufline im looking at the 6.4 model HL series with 24 inch blades and scrapers it shows to weigh around 2000 pounds. and is rated at 60 to 100 hp . on paper im at the bare minimum . does anybody have any thoughts on being able to pull this disc with this tractor ? i will have r1 tires filled with water and can run it with the loader on it to add wieght .

 

[Piston]

I'm sorry I can't help you with the disc question, but why are you trading in your HST for PR? Do you mostly do field work? I ask because I may go from HST to PR as well and am curios what your thoughts are? Do you think you'll miss the HST?

 

[chevyman29]

well i do plow and disc about 2 acres every year once in the fall to turn the old crop under then again in the spring to plant . i loved my hydro tractor but i kept on having issues with john deeres load match feature . so since my tractors out of warranty ive decided to just get the gear tractor and be done with it . i will miss the hydro for the ease of use doing fel type work but after i get use to the PR trans i should be ok . and of course a grear tractor is always gonna be better for ground engagement type work . another thing is after using my farmall 100 this year to cultivate and disk it really made me appreciate how much power loss you have with a hydro tranny .

 

[Storm56]

I have a 4700 JD with the power reverser. It works very well for me. I also have a McCormick C80L. The JD is of course a cat 1 while the C80L is a cat 2. The disk you are looking at is a cat 2, and has the size and weight to match. I have played with some of my cat 2 implements on the JD on occasion. I think full time use of such implements would create a lot of excessive wear and tear on the tractor. My suggestion would be to stay with cat 1 implements.

 

[PioneerMan]

Not trying to dissuade you, but with my 4320 hydro I prefer that kinda weight to have wheels under it...

 

[jenkinsph]

I think that is too much disk for the 4520 regardless of whether it is hydro or PR tranny. The 13.6 28 wheels just aren't big enough to provide enough traction.

I would find a different dealer to solve your loadmatch issues and consider either a smaller disk or better imo a Deere 681 tiller. I do alot of tilling each year with my 4520 and will say that you can pull a 681 deep (7 to 8 inches) at about 2.0 mph. Makes a nice even seed bed and works well with the ehydro, considering the tractor is holding the tiller from moving forward too fast the loadmatch shouldn't even be an issue. This would be a lot less strain on the tractor and would give you good results, something to consider.

 

[deere5105]

Im trading my 4520 hydro in on a 4520 power reverser tractor . im also looking at a new tufline disc in the deal . its the HL91624 pictured here Agriculture T4X & HL Series Tandem 3-point Disc - Monroe Tufline im looking at the 6.4 model HL series with 24 inch blades and scrapers it shows to weigh around 2000 pounds. and is rated at 60 to 100 hp . on paper im at the bare minimum . does anybody have any thoughts on being able to pull this disc with this tractor ? i will have r1 tires filled with water and can run it with the loader on it to add wieght .

Believe unless you are on really hard ground, you will have issue pulling this unit when it is running at a depth buried up to axles. I believe you would be better suited with the one right above it or closer to 1000 lbs or so with 20" blades.

 

[PioneerMan]

The concern members are having for you revolves around hp between compacts and utility tractors not really being apples to apples. These machines are smaller and not built with as much ground engagement in mind. I ran into this issue trying to find a baler for mine...

 

[jenkinsph]

The concern members are having for you revolves around hp between compacts and utility tractors not really being apples to apples. These machines are smaller and not built with as much ground engagement in mind. I ran into this issue trying to find a baler for mine...

I agree for the most part with the above. I think you would need more hp to properly utilize this disk though, need to be able to pull it fast enough to get good results. The compacts are not optimized for this type ground engagement, but are very good where the pto is used to achieve similar results. A 50 pto hp compact such as the 4520 can do a good job with a properly sized tiller. This enables you to get the hp to the ground via the pto driveline and for two acres is what I recommend, I do lots of this type work with my 673 tiller and know from experience that the 681 tiller would have been a better match.

 

[trook]

I have a 4320 with the PR tranny. While your 4520 has a few more hp, the frame size is identical. I use a 8ft. Priefert disk with 24-20" blades. I'm not sure of the weight, but I'm sure it is substantially less than the disk you are looking at even though the Priefert is a heavy, well built disk. I have sufficient power in B2, but I could certainly use more power in B4 (around 5 mph) which is where I need to be to get the best results. This is all the disk my 4320 wants. In some situations, it really works the 4320. In fact, if I sink the disks to the axle, it is too much disk. If I were you, I would look for something no bigger than my Priefert.

 

[pclausen]

I have a T4X (T4X972222B to be exact I believe).

I used to pull it with a 4700 (48hp) running R4s. Even in 4x4 mode, that was all the disk that tractor wanted, and if the ground was soft, there was no way to get up to 5mph.

I now pull it with my 85hp 5085M, and it does much better.

I think the HL will be too much disk for a 4520.

 

[chevyman29]

well i have gave some thought to a tiller but i use a disk for several other things that a tiller wouldnt work on . for example at the end of the season i disk all the corn stalks and other crops down then turn them under with the plow .

 

[chevyman29]

the disk you have is a 8 footer the one im looking at is only 6.4 . i wonder if that would make a difference ? im listening to all the advice and want to make the right decision . on the one hand i dont want more disk than i can use but on the other hand i dont want to buy a new disk and turn around and start adding wieght to it to get it to perform the way i want it to . the disk i was using was a 6ft adjustable gang disk but it wasnt but probably 800 or so pounds to get good results i always ran it with a cross tie and a 6ft railroad track on it . i never had no trouble with set up as far as pulling it goes.

 

[MtnViewRanch]

the disk you have is a 8 footer the one im looking at is only 6.4 . i wonder if that would make a difference ? im listening to all the advice and want to make the right decision . on the one hand i dont want more disk than i can use but on the other hand i dont want to buy a new disk and turn around and start adding wieght to it to get it to perform the way i want it to . the disk i was using was a 6ft adjustable gang disk but it wasnt but probably 800 or so pounds to get good results i always ran it with a cross tie and a 6ft railroad track on it . i never had no trouble with set up as far as pulling it goes.

Yes it will make a difference, and you can always lift it up a little with the 3pt to put more weight-traction on the rear tires and to lighten the cutting load of the disk.

Good luck with your decision.

 

[chevyman29]

well after ordering that disk and getting it to my dealers i took one look at it and new i made a mistake . it was so tall with the 24 inch blades that a 4520 couldnt lift it if it even has the capability to lift it . we ended up sending it back and ordering the TL43-72020
wich is a good bit smaller . it came in today and i believe its gonna work out it looks right size wise compared to the tractor. hopefully tommorow i can get some pics up of my tractor with the plow and the new disk up for you folks.

 

[plowindeeper]

I have a JD 4610 and use a 10 ft IH 370 tandem disk I follow up with a 681 tiller in the garden. On large plots I smooth it out with a 14 ft do-all.

 

[chevyman29]

Pic.

 

[plowindeeper]

chevyman I noticed that you have Ag tires can they be spaced to straddle 1 or 2 30 inch rows. I have industrial tires and can't seem to get my spacing right.

 

[chevyman29]

well they only offer about 3 or 4 different settings for the back and only 2 for the front . im sure you can make it work for 1 30inch row but 2 im not so sure about . i will look at it tomorrow and try and get a idea .

 

[deere5105]

chevyman I noticed that you have Ag tires can they be spaced to straddle 1 or 2 30 inch rows. I have industrial tires and can't seem to get my spacing right.

That issue/question is the very reason I have went to single row planting and equipment. We used to have a two row planter and a specific tractor set up just for cultivating two rows. Problem came that the cultivating tractor was unreliable and we wound up selling it when I was a child. It was an old Allis Chalmers with the plows underneath. By going with the single row I have no issues swapping to another tractor if needed. My 5303 is bigger than needed for garden work, but works fine. Only draw back is the two row got more planted in smaller area. Since my planting is just for hobby and personal consumption and space isn't an issue, it works.