adventure bob
Platinum Member
Pls name a production car that used a carb and made 100hp per liter and got 30MPG?
$500,000.00 fine and/or 5 years in federal prison for a first offense. John Deere
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dnw64
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Yugo.
TemporaryKubotaOwnerMark
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I don' theen so, Lucy.
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MORRISONSTEEL
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Fun read.... the question I never see asked here... are there any growers who are demanding this type of technology? The commercial ag buying sector actually has a huge part in machinery development, could it be that the larger buying segment wants this vs the smaller buying segment who does not? Could there be commercial ag operations that believe that keeping the level of technician on staff that you need to understand this does not help their bottom line like it did years ago when you could get away with just employing a mechanic? imao
adventure bob
Platinum Member
I really cant find in the ag industry that this is an issue. We, small tractor guys and other who post in these sites, to be the ones having the discussion. I watch a ton of RFD TV and the weeklys aren't up in arms about this at all. Mainstream ag pubs aren't either. I have went to several of the big ag sites and this isn't near the top of their lists for posts. You know where it is? Here.
Same place where people have don't even own a tractor with a DPF complain about them. To sort those with an opinion from those who have an active concern I think it should be asked: Are you a farmer (ie all of your income comes from farming), do you have large scale operations and do you have one or more of the tractors of concern? I think many of us have tractors under 100HP, but how many are running something like a JD 6M size tractor or bigger or a case Maxxum or bigger? Those tractors where the automation/software is pervasive. I think my Kub6060 is about as automated and painful as my Dodge Pickup so I don't find it too intrusive.
Same place where people have don't even own a tractor with a DPF complain about them. To sort those with an opinion from those who have an active concern I think it should be asked: Are you a farmer (ie all of your income comes from farming), do you have large scale operations and do you have one or more of the tractors of concern? I think many of us have tractors under 100HP, but how many are running something like a JD 6M size tractor or bigger or a case Maxxum or bigger? Those tractors where the automation/software is pervasive. I think my Kub6060 is about as automated and painful as my Dodge Pickup so I don't find it too intrusive.
I new someone was talking about me somewhere on here, I'll bet a Moxie you're right, I don't have any elmer's glue. I have a Husqvarna 550xp chainsaw with auto tune, I have to take that to the dealer to be hooked up to a computer when it gets out of wack whack and it's not even green. This is probably going to happen more and more to anything with a motor.
Talk to farmers and you will see it is a big deal. No publication is going to turn on their advertiser so you are not going to read it in the industry rags. There are a lot of websites that get their funding from the tractor manufactures as well so they are also going to watch what they report. Oh and yes my family makes 100% of their money farming/ranching and yes have 120hp+ equipment.
The issue isn't the fuel maps, injection timing tables or anything like that. The guys I talk to hate that they can't plug in a code reader. They can't read a code without the dealer. The example would be for your Dodge that you can't have anything fixed yourself and you are at the mercy of the dealer. You can't replace anything yourself, and you can't pull it into the dealer's lot, you need to have the dealer come to your house to fix the issue or read the codes. Oh and you have one or two dealers 10 to 100 miles away. Your Dodge you can go to a parts seller and they will have a code reader you can borrow. You can go to lots of local repair shops and they can do it. You can buy a OBDII code reader and a service manual and do everything yourself. The tractor you can't do that.
There are a lot of parts on a tractor that when you replace them there are sensors that you have to recalibrate or reset. Heck even on my Triumph motorcycle when I checked the valves there were after-market programs that could recalibrate the throttle valves and reset the sensors. On my BMW motorcycle I can have a program that will do the same thing. I can't get in and adjust anything related to emissions but I can read codes and reset sensors. You can't do that on a tractor and that is the problem, not the emissions items.
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RandyT
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I have that fancy little box that connects to the saw and the computer. When it first came out the software disc came with the wire connector. Now that software is only available at the Husqvarna dealer site for download.
adventure bob
Platinum Member
vsteel, cogent logical unemotional response I like it. I talked to some guys at Wagner power. they're a third party mobile maintain operation. they take care of everything from farmers tractors to heavy mining equip. you can get a code reader for tractors, it just ain't cheap. and they say every piece of modern industrial use equip is justs as computerized as a jd. there are things I cant do to my dodge, not because I can't get the equipment to do it, it's that the equipment is too expensive for the amount of time I'd use it. I think that's where the tractor world is.
