5045

[ShannonCole888]

I was watching some tractor pulls, and the 2wd models appear to out pull the 4wd models.. Not lying.. The Comparison was the same tractor, one 2wd, the other 4wd..

 

[PioneerMan]

Is it me or do the newer tractors have shorter wheel bases than the older ones? That would affect the need for ballast.

 

[jenkinsph]

I was watching some tractor pulls, and the 2wd models appear to out pull the 4wd models.. Not lying.. The Comparison was the same tractor, one 2wd, the other 4wd..

Ballasting the tractors is key, I wouldn't get confused by this. If you have weight on the front axle when pulling it helps to have 4x4. If the front axle is airborne then it doesn't make any difference. Since you need the front axle on the ground to steer the tractor you might as well get the benefit of the traction it allows.

If you want a tractor to use in the woods to pull some logs look at the thread active now about the 1050 a member is selling. He has front weights on this 4x2 and if you can pick up the front of the logs (with the 3ph) to clear the ground you can drag them easily enough.

 

[Kyle_in_Tex]

You will regret buying a 2WD. Old school 2WD had their day. Pulling a plow on flat land or a shredder on reasonably flat land. But if you want a FEL, you should spend the extra money on 4WD.

 

[ShannonCole888]

I don't plan on buying a front loader. I don't foresee me needing it that much. I am aware it would come in handy though, but it also decreases visibility too. The JD 5055e with front loader, with the larger rear tires 16.9 width, and 9.5 width fronts I think is what it was, the price was $28,500.00 0% interest for 62 months. Free Ballast which would add about 1500lbs to the weight of the machine. I plan on plowing relatively flat ground, a 4wd tractor with a loader seems a bit aimed in a direction I don't plan on using the tractor for. I can make used of a loader, but I am not sure 4wd is really all that beneficial for my intended purposes. Plowing flat land is what I plan on using it mainly on, and dragging some heavy oaks around when needed, for firewood, etc..thanks for everyone's insight, and advice..

 

[bill in ny]

I don't plan on buying a front loader. I don't foresee me needing it that much. I am aware it would come in handy though, but it also decreases visibility too. The JD 5055e with front loader, with the larger rear tires 16.9 width, and 9.5 width fronts I think is what it was, the price was $28,500.00 0% interest for 62 months. Free Ballast which would add about 1500lbs to the weight of the machine. I plan on plowing relatively flat ground, a 4wd tractor with a loader seems a bit aimed in a direction I don't plan on using the tractor for. I can make used of a loader, but I am not sure 4wd is really all that beneficial for my intended purposes. Plowing flat land is what I plan on using it mainly on, and dragging some heavy oaks around when needed, for firewood, etc..thanks for everyone's insight, and advice..

you get what you pay for!!

 

[Kyle_in_Tex]

I don't plan on buying a front loader. I don't foresee me needing it that much. I am aware it would come in handy though, but it also decreases visibility too. The JD 5055e with front loader, with the larger rear tires 16.9 width, and 9.5 width fronts I think is what it was, the price was $28,500.00 0% interest for 62 months. Free Ballast which would add about 1500lbs to the weight of the machine. I plan on plowing relatively flat ground, a 4wd tractor with a loader seems a bit aimed in a direction I don't plan on using the tractor for. I can make used of a loader, but I am not sure 4wd is really all that beneficial for my intended purposes. Plowing flat land is what I plan on using it mainly on, and dragging some heavy oaks around when needed, for firewood, etc..thanks for everyone's insight, and advice..

If thats all you need, you can get by with an old farm tractor. Most any old brand will do.

 

[Kyle_in_Tex]

I gotta ask, since you are starting out, Do you have plans of building on your land? If so, FEL is invaluable.

 

[ShannonCole888]

Yeah, I do plan on building on my land(Cellar,Barn/Shed, House,etc) I can honestly see a loader coming in handy for things like that, but when it comes to tillage work, I believe I will wish it wasn't there. I don't plan on getting the tractor it till about March. I most likely will buy a brand new one. I like a lot of older tractors, like the Massey Ferguson TE20,03,35,65,130,135,165 the JD's 420,620, JD 1020,3020, and several others.. 4wd is like a $6,000 dollar option on most utility tractors, a loader is like a $5,000.00 option combine those two, and you have an aditional $11,000.00... For example would you pay someone like $2,000.00 dollars to come help you lift your trusses for your roof? I don't know that after projects like that, that I would find a whole lot of use for the loader after those particular projects. The Barn just needs to be large enough to house the tractor, implements, and my tools, etc.. I may get some Dairy Goats later on, but I am not sure I will use the same structure to house them. The Cellar will likely require a backhoe, which I would likely borrow, or rent just long enough to get it dug out. If I have a loader on my tractor, then I would finish it up with it. My House, other than the walls, and roof,that would be about all the loader would help out. I could build a pulley system, and hook that to a 2wd tractor though, which would probably be cheaper. I plan on purchasing in this sequence something like this.. Tractor, property, Barn/Shed, additional implements, etc...,Cellar....then house..

 

[bigbull338]

the loader is no prob.when you dont want the loader on you can take it off.but always remember to pull it off on leval ground so you can quickly put back on the tractor.

 

[ShannonCole888]

I believe a loader may throw off the balance of a good plowing tractor. Despite what some people think, plowing is important, and doing it right is essential. If plowing wasn't that important, then it wouldn't be such a fudamental part of agriculture. Anyways, the tractors I am looking at, the John Deere 5045e,or 5055e I believe the Loader is permanetly mounted to the Tractor. Taking it off, and on isn't all that easy I think. Here is a link to plowing...Sherwood Forest Ploughing Match - YouTube

 

[jenkinsph]

I think you are misinformed about the loader, the 553 loader for the 5045E is removable. I am not a fan of loaders on my tractors but I do feel if you only have one tractor you need it to have a loader attachment. There are alot of guys here trying to give you good solid advice, hope you will consider some of the help you have been given.




Here is the page for the loader made for the tractor you are considering. Scroll down the page below the bucket in the picture and select features, then look at parking the loader.
JohnDeere 553 Loader Loading and Digging Attachment JohnDeere.com

 

[ShannonCole888]

I believe the 5045D model has a permanent loader attached, although they are not completely permanent, just not practical to take on, and off. I know how much easier a loader would make things. It would come in handy, I don't question that. I also need to buy, a good plow, a good rotary cutter, a good rotary tiller, a box blade, a ripper, a garden bedder, a wheat thresher machine (9600.00), a potato digger, a manure spreader, a seeder, a fertilzer spreader possibly. If I go with the 5055e with loader, that is $28,500.00 plus tax.. JD Rotary Tiller was $3100.00, Frontier 2 Bottom plow was $1200.00, wheat threshing machine I priced was $9600.00. Tell me some daily functional uses of a loader on a tractor, or primary uses for a loader, that may help me be convinced I should invest the extra money in one if I really need one. I am not one to waste money, especially no $28,500.00 I appreciate all of your all's suggestions..

 

[bigbull338]

i dont know if you have cattle or not but the loader can be used to move an feed hay.an it can also be used to move dirt,an level up.an you can also use it to unload stuff.

 

[dusty3030]

I believe the 5045D model has a permanent loader attached, although they are not completely permanent, just not practical to take on, and off. I know how much easier a loader would make things. It would come in handy, I don't question that. I also need to buy, a good plow, a good rotary cutter, a good rotary tiller, a box blade, a ripper, a garden bedder, a wheat thresher machine (9600.00), a potato digger, a manure spreader, a seeder, a fertilzer spreader possibly. If I go with the 5055e with loader, that is $28,500.00 plus tax.. JD Rotary Tiller was $3100.00, Frontier 2 Bottom plow was $1200.00, wheat threshing machine I priced was $9600.00. Tell me some daily functional uses of a loader on a tractor, or primary uses for a loader, that may help me be convinced I should invest the extra money in one if I really need one. I am not one to waste money, especially no $28,500.00 I appreciate all of your all's suggestions..

How many acres of wheat are you going to plant?

 

[ShannonCole888]

I am not sure, it will be primarily for personal consumtion. 1-4 acres..

 

[jenkinsph]

I believe the 5045D model has a permanent loader attached, although they are not completely permanent, just not practical to take on, and off. I know how much easier a loader would make things. It would come in handy, I don't question that. I also need to buy, a good plow, a good rotary cutter, a good rotary tiller, a box blade, a ripper, a garden bedder, a wheat thresher machine (9600.00), a potato digger, a manure spreader, a seeder, a fertilzer spreader possibly. If I go with the 5055e with loader, that is $28,500.00 plus tax.. JD Rotary Tiller was $3100.00, Frontier 2 Bottom plow was $1200.00, wheat threshing machine I priced was $9600.00. Tell me some daily functional uses of a loader on a tractor, or primary uses for a loader, that may help me be convinced I should invest the extra money in one if I really need one. I am not one to waste money, especially no $28,500.00 I appreciate all of your all's suggestions..

the 5045D uses the aformentioned 553 loader and is simple to remove/replace.
If you are not convinced you need the loader then don't buy it as you can add it later if you change your mind. I don't have a loader on my 4520 either.

If you look at my signature line I think you can see that I am well aware of what implements cost.

Loaders are handy for moving stuff, and there is always something that needs moving from my experience. I used to do it the hard way but a loader does save time which is valuable and energy which I have less of as I grow older.

 

[ShannonCole888]

I am looking for a good tillage work tractor. One to plow with, till with, cultivate, etc.. A good ground engaging versatile tractor. I don't plan on taking if fourwheelin..lol I have been looking for a good pull tractor. It seems a well ballasted 2wd is the way to go in that direction. As during plow days, the antique 2wd models seem to be the tractors of choice, and preference. I can not use experience with either 2wd, or 4wd to use that in my decision making. Given my future intended purchases including the land itself, I looking at Implements like:

AG List: Utility List:
Rotary Cutter Box Blade
Good plow Post Hole Digger
Disk
Good Rotary Tiller
Garden Bedder
Ripper
Subsoiler
Manure Spreader
Seeder
Fertilizer Spreader

Other considerations:
Method to harvest Wheat, possibly mini combine, or small antique harvester
made by Allis Chalmers if available.

Other Tools:
New Chainsaw
Generator
6000lb Come A long
Metal Fuel(Diesel) Can
Metal Fuel(Diesel) Tank
Farm Jack

Livestock List:
Dair Goats
Chickens

Also note: I may invest in a small compact tractor with loader in the future, for loader applications, so just thought I would mention that..

 

[ShannonCole888]

That is just a general idea of things I plan on acquiring in the near future. It would be nice to take out a loan for all of those things, and just pay off the loan for those things..

 

[jenkinsph]

Shannon,
Looking at your list I didn't see anything that is out of the ordinary needs. You can do those jobs with most tractors sized from 40 to 60 hp. I would think that a 4520 such as I have would handle those tasks well. I have owned the heavier built 2wd tractors and the compact 4x4 tractors and both will handle the majority of the work you can do with your implement list. An ehydro tractor will handle tillage on a small property without problems and is easy to use for some of the other tasks. Not saying you need an ehydro tractor but pointing out that you don't have to have a gear tractor, either will work.

Just consider that hp and weight determine how much you can pull and how fast you can pull it. If you plan on using the tractor alot I would recommend you get the higher hp model so that you can get more done in a shorter period of time.