Comparison 5101E VS 6100D vs 5095m

[MWRR]

A little background first. I have 100 acres of pasture and hay ground. I put up 100 - 150 round bales hay for my cattle and square bale about 1500 bales to sell to others. I intend to upgrade my baler in the near future (5X5 or 4X6). Last summer I purchased a new Kuhns 9ft disc mower.

I am looking at purchasing a new CAB tractor in the near future. I have been looking at something in the 80 pto hp range, something that will handle the newer type round balers and my new disc mower. The tractor will need to have MFWD and front loader so that I can wade thru the mud to feed my cattle. I would probably put on about 400 hrs a year and will probably keep the tractor until I retire (again) or die.

Now my question: What would be the best tractor for the money for my intended uses. The 5101E Limited seems to like a good value and meets my needs. The local dealer suggested the 6 D series. How would a 5085M stand up to the other two lines and is it worth the extra money.
Thanks for any insight you may have.
MWRR

 

[RADIUM]

I'm in the same boat, I'm looking at a new Holland T5050 and a JD 5095M both tractors are about the size I need the JD it's a little lighter than new Holland however the JD dealer is trying to persuade me to look at a 6000 series more money but a lot more tractor, I just can't get my mind around something that big. I have a quote from John dealer on a 5075M with a 563 self-leveling loader out the door 43,000 a really good price about 6 to 7 grade more for the 95M same deal 16 x 16 power reverser transmission remote hydraulic lift on Fender triple rear deluxe valve. Have you gotten a quote on the 6000 cab series? I'd be curious to know your prices thanks. He's also tell me there's quite a wait time for the new tractors which isn't a big deal to place an order now and wait for spring, however the M. series he has two of them on the lot one was a demo the other one brand-new decisions decisions take care

 

[MWRR]

I haven't gotten any prices yet. I will let you know when I do.
One thing nice is that JD is offering 0% for 60months right now.
MWRR

 

[bigbull338]

you need an 85pto hp tractor todo what you want.ive got a friend that bought a 105hp JD cab 4x4 FEL 3 or 4yrs ago an i think he gave $50,000 for it.

 

[jenkinsph]

A little background first. I have 100 acres of pasture and hay ground. I put up 100 - 150 round bales hay for my cattle and square bale about 1500 bales to sell to others. I intend to upgrade my baler in the near future (5X5 or 4X6). Last summer I purchased a new Kuhns 9ft disc mower.

I am looking at purchasing a new CAB tractor in the near future. I have been looking at something in the 80 pto hp range, something that will handle the newer type round balers and my new disc mower. The tractor will need to have MFWD and front loader so that I can wade thru the mud to feed my cattle. I would probably put on about 400 hrs a year and will probably keep the tractor until I retire (again) or die.

Now my question: What would be the best tractor for the money for my intended uses. The 5101E Limited seems to like a good value and meets my needs. The local dealer suggested the 6 D series. How would a 5085M stand up to the other two lines and is it worth the extra money.
Thanks for any insight you may have.
MWRR

I would go with the 6115 95 pto hp, this tractor has a few more ponies and about an extra ton of iron. For the basic cab 6115 is $56Kmsrp and should discount for $47k that is alot of tractor for the money. This tractor is large enough to handle large balers and should get you through the mud with less issues than the smaller 5ooo series tractors. While this is a simple tractor compared to some of the high end models offered today I think you will be better satisfied with its abilities. I would get it with the 9x9 PR transmission and a heavy duty loader.

 

[jdbnh]

A little background first. I have 100 acres of pasture and hay ground. I put up 100 - 150 round bales hay for my cattle and square bale about 1500 bales to sell to others. I intend to upgrade my baler in the near future (5X5 or 4X6). Last summer I purchased a new Kuhns 9ft disc mower.

I am looking at purchasing a new CAB tractor in the near future. I have been looking at something in the 80 pto hp range, something that will handle the newer type round balers and my new disc mower. The tractor will need to have MFWD and front loader so that I can wade thru the mud to feed my cattle. I would probably put on about 400 hrs a year and will probably keep the tractor until I retire (again) or die.

Now my question: What would be the best tractor for the money for my intended uses. The 5101E Limited seems to like a good value and meets my needs. The local dealer suggested the 6 D series. How would a 5085M stand up to the other two lines and is it worth the extra money.
Thanks for any insight you may have.
MWRR

where are you located

 

[erervin]

I purchased a new 5105M in October from my local Deere dealer. Initially I was looking at the Deere 5105M, New Holland 5060, Case IH 105, and Kubota M9540. My uses are mainly for hay production and winter feeding. I've only got 30 hours on it so far feeding hay with the 563 SL Loader so can't really review the PTO. This coming spring I'll be spreading fertilizer, spraying, cutting hay with our disk mower, and baling with my JD 535 baler. I'll put it through it's paces then.

So far I've been very impressed. The 32F/16R Power-Reverser transmission is very nice, especially the high/low option. The cab was the nicest in my opinion of the four comps. The controls are right where you'd expect them. I also have the horizontal exhaust that exits under the steps and really like that option. I considered the 6115, but decided it was a larger tractor than I needed/wanted.

My dealer was great, which made a big difference when it came down to the final decision. If you have any specific questions, I'd be happy to answer the best I can.

 

[AKfish]

I have a quote from John dealer on a 5075M with a 563 self-leveling loader out the door 43,000 a really good price about 6 to 7 grade more for the 95M same deal 16 x 16 power reverser transmission remote hydraulic lift on Fender triple rear deluxe valve.

Really... Is that $43K for a cabbed 5075M or an open-station model? If it's a cab model - that deal kicks the crap outta the cab 4720 deals I've been looking at!!

AKfish

 

[RADIUM]

LOL if it were a cab model for that price you would see pictures of it in my driveway sorry I should've said that price was isolated platform a step up from the general platform model. However he does have a really good deal on a 95E limited close to that price with cab, I just find it to be a little too light of a design. At the time I was thinking I'd rather sacrifice the cab and have a heavy duty tractor to do the work on the farm but after a few more months of consideration I will definitely be getting a cab model it will be the last tractor I will buy in my lifetime why not enjoy it who needs to leave anything for the kids ;-). Take care

 

[MWRR]

Thanks for the responses.
First, I live in east central Illinois.

Concerning the 6D series tractors. I like the extra weight and ruggedness of the 6D series tractors. My only issue with them is the lack of choices in transmissions. When baling hay, it's nice to have a few more gear selections.

Concerning the 5M series tractors; I love the extra gears available. I especially like the 3pt fender switch...be might handy when hooking up implements. The down side is the dollars. I wonder if the 5085M or 5095M would handle my 9ft disc mower and a new style baler.

Concerning the 5E Limited series; HP is good. Weight OK, has the bare essentials (cab, A/H, etc). Transmission OK. Price is very affordable..under $50,000 (on internet).

I like the comment someone made about spreading the extra cost of the 5M over 15-20 years makes it pretty cheap. I don't forsee trading the tractor off, unless I find it's not doing what I had thought.

The most important thing is that no matter how cold it gets it has to start....cows have to be fed. My old gasser never fails to fire up and run.

I have never owned a cab tractor so it won't take much to spoil me.
Thanks again for everyones input.
MWRR

 

[RADIUM]

That is some very sound reasoning, I don't think the 95M would have any problem running a 9 foot disc mower, my 2420 runs a KUHN eight-foot GMD 800 HD with no problem only about 51 PTO horsepower. I'm going to go see dealer this week and kick tires and get some prices on the 6000 series. The last time I spoke to the dealer he claimed a better deal on a 6000 series than the 5M-series makes you scratch your head how that can be? One other brand I've been looking at MF 97 hp 2680 series HD a very heavy tractor about 83 PTO horsepower close to 11,000 pounds pretty decent price with a cab and heavy-duty loader just some options to think about. shouldn't be any starting problems with the proper fuel and oils and good old-fashioned maintenance, and a block heater wouldn't hurt either ;-) I'll let you know when I get some prices on the 6000 hopefully tomorrow or possibly Thursday were expecting a big storm tomorrow take care

 

[peter_vii]

All three would do the job. I have 5083E on 80 ac and it does everything I need to do.

I'd go with 6100D. More tractor, will handle other (new) implements that you don't have (yet).

If you are sure you'll not expand, buy new implements or land, go with 5101E.

I think, your JD dealer is right. 6100 series is for full-time farmers. Designed for every day heavy use. More money, more steel. Like some old timer said: "Choose your new tractor to the biggest job you possibly might have and buy one level above that"

E&M series is for part-time, small, hobby farmers.

 

[jenkinsph]

My suggestion to look at the 6115 was twofold, a little extra power to handle the difference between gears on the 9 sp tranny and secondly most of the farmers seem to prefer the 6115 over the 6100. The ones I have talked to feel it is better to have a few more horses under the hood.

You should be able to buy a new 6115 for about 10 to 15% off. A deluxe series should be about 18% off. That has been my recent experience shopping in the last two years. I purchased my fully loaded 110tlb for 19% off, the 4520 for 18% off and the new X749 for 15% off, so these listed discounts are realistic.

 

[stravis]

Although I absolutely love my 5101E, I'd suggest the 5095M for what you want to use it for. Particularly for two reasons. Cab comfort / ergonomics, and gears. You mention putting about 400 hours a year on it. With that much time in the seat, the 5101 isn't laid out very well. The M series cabs are laid out much better and would allow for a little smoother operation. For what I use my 5101 for (about 130 hours/year) I really don't wish for more than the 12f/12r gears, however, if I was doing what you describe, I can definitely see myself wishing for more. The extra gears in the 5095M and the M series cab would be worth the money to me.

 

[MWRR]

I spent about 30 minutes on the phone with one of my local JD dealers. He knows my operation and my uses. He agreed with my concern about the lack of transmission options on the 6D series tractors, especially with hay baling.

He believes the "Limited" series would work pretty well and would be quite affordable. He went on to say the "M" series has a lot more comfort features if I was willing to pay a little more, adding that either would work well in my situation.

He recommended not going below the 5085M or the 5083E. He thinks both would meet my hp needs now and in the future. He didn't think there was a significant weight difference between the two series.

He is working up some figures and we will meet sometime next week when I have more time. I will share with all when I know more.

Is anyone out there pulling a newer style baler with a 5085M? If so, how does it handle the baler.

MWRR

 

[MWRR]

Another quick question about John Deere financing. They are offering a 0% five year financing. How much down do they require if a person has excellent credit and will be making monthly payments rather than annual payments.

When I checked with Case-IH they were willing to finance with 0% for five years with no money down as, as long as it was on a monthly installments.

MWRR

 

[bill in ny]

don't know if you mean round or square bales. i pull a new holland bc5060 square baler with my kubota m8550 with no problems. that is with a full kicker wagon on some hilly fields. that baler needs 62pto hp. it's weight is a little over 3,400#.

 

[jenkinsph]

Another quick question about John Deere financing. They are offering a 0% five year financing. How much down do they require if a person has excellent credit and will be making monthly payments rather than annual payments.

When I checked with Case-IH they were willing to finance with 0% for five years with no money down as, as long as it was on a monthly installments.

MWRR

I would think with excellent credit you can get 0 down and 0 for 60 months. I like to put 25 to 50% down on large purchases to reduce the payments. In todays economy with 0% loans it is better to use Deeres' money IMO. You should still be able to get 15% off on the tractor price too.

 

[MWRR]

I finally have some prices. My dealer priced out a 5095M and a 5093E Limited. The M is priced with the remote E-hitch and air seat. Other than that they are similarly equiped (obviously the M has more bells and whistles). The M was $52,300 and the E Limited was $41,500. Add a 553 Loader for $5800.

After much discussion, I am probably leaning toward the E Limited. The only option that I would like to have on the E Limited but it's not available is the remote E-hitch. My concern about the M is all those electronics and I can just picture a mouse eating thru one of the wires causing havoc.

I also have some reservations about the 553 loader.

Any comments would be appreciated.

MWRR

 

[ken1960]

gt you a cx95 mccormick,or ck em out ,good tractor