Xfaxman
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Remove the starter and see if the engine will rotate.
5570 - Serious problem and I need some good advice
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DavesTractor
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I wish we weren't 2500 miles apart. This is killing me!
If you had this in a well equipped shop, you would have all the answers you need in a couple of hours. I think it would be worth your time at some point to winch this thing up on a trailer and haul it to the nearest Mahindra dealer, assuming that the nearest dealer is a full service dealer with good "wrenches".
If you had this in a well equipped shop, you would have all the answers you need in a couple of hours. I think it would be worth your time at some point to winch this thing up on a trailer and haul it to the nearest Mahindra dealer, assuming that the nearest dealer is a full service dealer with good "wrenches".
dickfoster
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Well if the mountain can't come to Mohammed, Mohammed could always go to the mountain. LOL However, it's not the best time of year to go there or anywhere else except maybe Hawaii.
Yeah, my dealer has already said they will not rebuild and it will be $26K for a new motor. They diagnosed the issue over the phone. My hesitation in taking it in is the cost of getting it there + the diagnosis will be hundreds of dollars if not more. If we find no indication of a spun bearing or similar via the oil pan inspection, I will have to load it up and take it to a dealer as everyone is baffled at this point.
DavesTractor
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A complete short block is $5,244 MSRP, plus some freight, plus labor to swap it in. That's with the crank/cam, etc. You will have to swap over the head and all the other items. But that is a far cry from $26k.
If they diagnosed it over the phone, they are only guessing based on the info you provide to them. Yes it will be hundreds of dollars to haul it and do some diagnosis. I suppose you will have to figure out if it is worth it based on the amount of effort you are willing to expend yourself to get this fixed.
I am more than willing to expend the money to haul it in for diagnosis if it is just not obvious after we get the oil pan off and/or take a look thru a camera. It just seems so unlikely that the engine seized that I am having a hard time wrapping my head around the fact that I am probably about to spend a big chunk of money on a piece of equipment that I expected to run pretty much trouble-free for many years, not many days. I guess you could say I am hard-headed
If motor replacement is the solution, it will be done on the farm.BobG_in_VA
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"I guess you could say I am hard-headed If motor replacement is the solution, it will be done on the farm." Hope you know what you're in for.....any how long it will take...assuming you don't have a complete shop/hydraulic lifts, etc. Oh yeah...and a whole bunch of expensive tools/time. Hope you don't have to replace the engine...but...if the engine would turn at all...it ain't stuck...it sounds like its hydro locked on one cyl. Can you try and pull the injectors (if direct inject) and see if it free's up? BobG in VA
Don't worry - I am not the one doing the work
I have tracked down a couple of highly recommended (retired) tractor mechanics that can do the job at a reasonable cost and they bring their own tools. Once we pull the pan or at least get a peep in there and see what's up, we'll decide whether to break it down further. I agree - it sounds very much hydrolocked and I will call in the big guns to pull the injectors - getting to them is not fun on this machine. At some point (about the time the temps get down in the 40's and it starts raining) I'm calling "Uncle" if there is no obvious cause and I will be hauling the thing to either Oak Grove, LA or Longview, TX (the two closest dealers - I am pretty much in the middle between the two).She lives!!
Those of y'all following along are bound to be wondering what came of this mess. Well, here's the rest of the story...
Once we got into the tractor (no small feat), we found the #3 rod bearing seized, but just barely. We were able to break it loose by hand. No bent rods, no pile of shavings in the oil pan. An emery cloth was applied where needed and all bearings were replaced. Buttoned her back up, added oil and new filter, and then ran the tractor at idle for about 30 min. Changed oil and filter again, ran at idle and drained it. No metal, no weirdness.
I then turned her over to my mechanic so he could watch and listen while she ran under load. He ran her for a couple of days pulling my war horse JD 709 Brush Cutter. Never missed a lick. I'm about to do the scheduled oil change and let her rip. Final cost was well south of $1k parts and labor. Kudos to my two local mechanics for being so thorough...and convinced she wasn't FUBAR.
Remember, my dealer wanted $28k to fix the problem
Probably not so coincidentally, I noticed the new OEM replacement oil filters I ordered for this project are MUCH shorter than the OEM filter that was damaged...due to being overly exposed IMHO. Good on Mahindra for rectifying the problem.
So, all's well that ends well.
Those of y'all following along are bound to be wondering what came of this mess. Well, here's the rest of the story...
Once we got into the tractor (no small feat), we found the #3 rod bearing seized, but just barely. We were able to break it loose by hand. No bent rods, no pile of shavings in the oil pan. An emery cloth was applied where needed and all bearings were replaced. Buttoned her back up, added oil and new filter, and then ran the tractor at idle for about 30 min. Changed oil and filter again, ran at idle and drained it. No metal, no weirdness.
I then turned her over to my mechanic so he could watch and listen while she ran under load. He ran her for a couple of days pulling my war horse JD 709 Brush Cutter. Never missed a lick. I'm about to do the scheduled oil change and let her rip. Final cost was well south of $1k parts and labor. Kudos to my two local mechanics for being so thorough...and convinced she wasn't FUBAR.
Remember, my dealer wanted $28k to fix the problem
Probably not so coincidentally, I noticed the new OEM replacement oil filters I ordered for this project are MUCH shorter than the OEM filter that was damaged...due to being overly exposed IMHO. Good on Mahindra for rectifying the problem. So, all's well that ends well.
