58 MPG by 2032

[FERLING]

How many vehicles get 58 mpg now? Will electric vehicles somehow get factored into that. Between this new standard and all the standards on all the home appliances things will get expensive.

58 mpg or any other goal set is an average for all sold. Discount the high mpg cars and inflate the low mileage to control sells.

 

[scootr]

I remember when this same topic was discussed 30-40 years ago. In stead of 58mpg it was @ 30. and everyone said the same thing that it was impossible. That was when the cars from the big 3 were averaging @ 15mpg. With the target set it pushes the car companies to look for ways to improve efficacy and still meet the market needs. Do anyone out there want to go back ware a standard passenger car only got 15mpg? I would love to have a pickup that met my needs and saved me over 50% at the gas pump.

Not the cars so much as
I would love to go back to the fuel prices of 30-40 years ago

 

[Fields_mj]

58 MPG​

Seeking to cut greenhouse gas emissions, the B i d e n administration has issued a proposal directing automakers to raise the fuel economy of their vehicles to a fleet-wide average of 58 miles per gallon by 2032. The proposed rules by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration would be applicable starting in model year 2027, while new fuel efficiency standards for heavy-duty pickup trucks and vans would rise 10% annually. The NHTSA also said it would try to align regulations with the Environmental Protection Agency's proposed vehicle emissions reductions. Many U.S. automakers are already in the middle of electrifying their fleets, but any changes could impact the plans of Ford (F), General Motors (GM) and Stellantis (STLA)

WOOHOOO!!!! That must mean they are going to remove all the EPA regs that choke the engines down and kill the fuel mileage

 

[henerythe8th]

Just think how much fuel would be saved if Big Rigs were limited to 65 mph…. !?

Just imagine if MOST goods were hauled via rail!
Take MOST of the semi-trailers off the road!

 

[WinterDeere]

Keep in mind the physics of speed. The energy in a moving vehicle is based on the square of your speed. That means you double your speed the energy is 4 times greater. I’m not talking about mpg but how this relates to braking and the force of an accident.

Wind resistance is also based roughly on the square of your speed. It seems like it might actually be the cube of your speed is the energy you’re using but you get there quicker so more like the square of your speed. Double your speed, the wind resistance is 4 times greater. Most vehicles get their best fuel mileage at about 45 mph.

Definitely. But not really relevant, in light of the numbers being discussed here. A 4000 lb. passenger vehicle even traveling at 75 mph has a mere 11% to 13% the kinetic energy of a 35-ton cement truck or 40-ton tri-axle doing only 50 mph. You'd have to drive your 4000 lb. vehicle at more than 200 mph to give it the same punch as either of these heavy trucks.

So, again I ask... why are we setting speed limits to the lowest common denominator? There should be at least a two-tier system, passenger vehicles versus multi-axle commercial vehicles, if not even a third category to include single axle commercial vehicles in the middle. In my own personal ethics, I drive my pickup truck slower than my sport sedan, as I know it takes longer for it to stop, and it can not as easily maneuver around any unexpected obstacles.

 

[WinterDeere]

Well, can you show why, with all the time they have had, they haven't fixed their distribution problems by now? The state is so badly mismanaged that it's no surprise they can't make a smooth transition to renewables without making a mess of things. If they can't manage water, wildfires and crime how are they going to handle something as infinately more complex as energy transition?

Scope creep. Again, you had said the trouble was energy production by renewables. Let's settle that issue, before going off on several new tangents and misdirections. I'm not really as interested in the several other, but completely unrelated, issues.

 

[EdwardL]

58 MPG​

Seeking to cut greenhouse gas emissions, the B i d e n administration has issued a proposal directing automakers to raise the fuel economy of their vehicles to a fleet-wide average of 58 miles per gallon by 2032. The proposed rules by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration would be applicable starting in model year 2027, while new fuel efficiency standards for heavy-duty pickup trucks and vans would rise 10% annually. The NHTSA also said it would try to align regulations with the Environmental Protection Agency's proposed vehicle emissions reductions. Many U.S. automakers are already in the middle of electrifying their fleets, but any changes could impact the plans of Ford (F), General Motors (GM) and Stellantis (STLA)

At the rate things are going downhill, I think we will be in the middle of 1776-2 by 2032. So the issue will be moot.

 

[bnold]

So the experts say if you are traveling 80 miles per hour on a highway and see an obstruction a football field away, you are going to hit it.

I dodge potholes, gators, etc… daily doing 80+ witnessed within 100yds. Stopping and moving over to avoid collision are 2 different things.

 

[charlessenf]

58 MPG​

"... the B i d e n administration has issued a proposal directing automakers to . . ."

Hmm, a proposal, eh?
How does a proposal direct anyone to do anything?

Who wrote that piece?

If it works out by then it will confirm my. oft quioted, long standing presumption that "I'll be dead before I get fifty mpg!"

 

[dodge man]

Definitely. But not really relevant, in light of the numbers being discussed here. A 4000 lb. passenger vehicle even traveling at 75 mph has a mere 11% to 13% the kinetic energy of a 35-ton cement truck or 40-ton tri-axle doing only 50 mph. You'd have to drive your 4000 lb. vehicle at more than 200 mph to give it the same punch as either of these heavy trucks.

So, again I ask... why are we setting speed limits to the lowest common denominator? There should be at least a two-tier system, passenger vehicles versus multi-axle commercial vehicles, if not even a third category to include single axle commercial vehicles in the middle. In my own personal ethics, I drive my pickup truck slower than my sport sedan, as I know it takes longer for it to stop, and it can not as easily maneuver around any unexpected obstacles.

I agree, I guess I didn’t make my point well, a heavy truck traveling faster is carrying a lot of energy. Illinois used to have a lower speed for trucks but their lobby must be strong, they did away with it.