7235 &7275 Motor breaking and excessive clutches

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Chubby
The engine is the question, but all my problems started when the engine flanges broke. No an oil sample was not taken to find the true cause of the cylinder shape. I wish one was sent off to be analyzed, but that never occured to me till it was too late. I change my oil in the engine approx every 50 hours.
When I first bought the tractor it was a real powerhouse. I used to feed the wildlife behind my house quite frequently. The hill behind the house is not steep and I used to climb it in mid range quite effortlessly. After having the engine replaced, I again started feeding the wildlife, but I could no longer climb this hill in mid range. I had to go in low range. I called the dealer who installed the new or rebuilt engine and explained the loss of power to him. He said to run the tractor for about 100 hrs and see if starts to regain its power. Valves and rings need to seat. I did this and when the power didn't seem to get better, I called the dealer and explained this. He said he would call me back in a day or two and when he did he said warranty has expired. I then took the tractor to Valley equipment for them to check it out. They serviced the tractor and said they could find no reason for the loss of power. I feel certain they didn't run a compression check as this requires a compression tester from mitsu and is pretty expensive.
The tractor is a 7235 (23 hp w/hydro), it has a cub cadet 417 fel and a cub cadet 408 backhoe with sub-frame.
My problems all started after the engine flanges broke and a new or rebuilt engine was installed. Before this it was the most wonderful tractor in the world.
The reason I am pushing the issue on these brackets is because there are still tractors continuing to break and the owners are getting stuck with the tab. Now we are back to how far out of warranty should cub go. If this tractor was yours, I doubt if you would be very happy. Mine has spent approx 7 months probably closer to 8 months in the shop since I have owned it. This seems to be a little excessive to me. Back to the brackets , like I said these tractors are still continuing to break almost in two. One was coming out of the shop when mine was going in. Cub tech has said we have incorporated the brackets in the newer fel. Problem solved. Well the problem was not solved for the owners who bought these tractors before they incorporated the fix.
Some of the confusion arising from what Cub tech and I are saying is coming from a thread between myself and the factory. Question reference #050209-000022. Hope I have answered at least most of your questions.

The old Gunny
 
   / 7235 &7275 Motor breaking and excessive clutches #82  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( Well, If Cub Cadet sold parts directly to the consumer things would probably be different. But unfortunately Cub Cadet doesn't sell the parts. The dealers do. Cub's network of dealers are responsible for pricing. )</font>

You are not really naive enough to believe this hooey, are you?
Yes, Cub dealers set their prices..... based on the material cost from the supplier (ie; Cub). The material cost is marked up to cover the cost of the operation plus profit. But I have made calls to dealers in all parts of this country and can find noone that will sell the hydraulic filter for less than about $80. And that's because Cub is raping their customers on parts.

Cub has also done a great job of hiding the filter specs from the public. Filters for most other color tractors can be cross-referenced by WIX, but not Cub.
 
   / 7235 &7275 Motor breaking and excessive clutches #83  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( You are not really naive enough to believe this hooey, are you? )</font>

ok, you are partially right. Cub prices are based on the material cost from the supplier .......Mitsubishi.....

And yes.. dealers mark up the prices. They have to pay their bills and keep the lights on and feed their family.

Cub doesnt hide anything. The information is right there.. you just have to know where to look for it.

Did you buy a service manual? Probably not.
 
   / 7235 &7275 Motor breaking and excessive clutches #84  
I have a new 5254 and have found WIX filters that would replace all three of my filters, trans, hydro, and engine.

What are the warranty issues? My manual does not say anywhere that I have to buy or use any particular brand to protect my warranty.

For me it is not the cost of a filter, but which filter will protect my investment the best. Maybe Cub Tech can clarify the warranty issue for me.
 
   / 7235 &7275 Motor breaking and excessive clutches #85  
What is the exact part number of the filter you are trying to replace?
 
   / 7235 &7275 Motor breaking and excessive clutches #86  
There is no "required" brand of filter to use. You just have to make sure that the brand is safe to use.

If you use a junk/cheap quality filter and you trash the engine you will be responsible for the repairs.

So you have to watch what you use. Like your car, you get what you pay for. Use a common name brand and check it regularly.
 
   / 7235 &7275 Motor breaking and excessive clutches #87  
cub tech 1 I bought both complete service manuels and nothing is listed ref: filter cross to any OEM filters. Rozett and I have looked and tried to find something other than the fuel and oil filters. I bought the NAPA oil and did not use it because it was so small a filter compaired to the OEM filter. The threads worked but small filter area. I know dealers mark up the price but they also have to pay the manufactures prices. Prices were set when the joint venture was started. Mits. does not make the filters they buy them just like Kubota. Why the big price difference on a filter that is the same except for the outward flange being 1/2 inch larger on the Cub. If you know where to look please tell us. Why dosen't shop manuel talk more about glow plug system? It is great if I was rebuilding the engine or the trans but for the glow plug system other than the wiring diagram - nothing.
Cub hatter Is the 408 hoe the correct size for your unit? Was the fel down, brakes locked when using the hoe? Have you had the hydr psi increased past factory spec's? I would think the relief valve would have lifted before causing a failure. If this many tractors are failing sounds like a class action suite to me.
 
   / 7235 &7275 Motor breaking and excessive clutches #88  
Cub Tech,

In your opinion, and I value your opinion, would a WIX brand filter be a good choice of filter? Again, I am not here bashing Cub or anyone else, I just want the best I can get for my tractor.

Also, on my 5254 there are two wire leads under the right fender coming from the wiring harness for the hazzard lights. Can you tell me what they are for. The dealer can not.

Very much appreciate your time and input.
 
   / 7235 &7275 Motor breaking and excessive clutches #89  
alan, there are three important factors in trying to cross reference a filter (besides the mount). First is the micron rating of the filter media; second is the physical size, which together with the filter media rating will determine the flow rate; and last is the bypass pressure rating.

Since Cub has not made this info available, even in the service manual, we are not able to cross reference. /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

While it's easy to find a filter of the same physical size, the other two factors can be a big problem. If the micron rating is off, you either pass contaminates thru the filter and back into the system, or you filter all the dirt but can't pass enough oil fast enough. If the filter media gets clogged, the bypass valve will skip the filter and pass the oil back to the system instead of washing the contaminates back into the system.
 
   / 7235 &7275 Motor breaking and excessive clutches #90  
Cub_tech, if you take a minute and do a search of the Cub forum for the word filter, you will find numerous threads on the topic of cross-referencing filters. It has been a topic for us for well over two years. Several folks have reviewed the service manuals looking for the info. It's not there. Most other CUT makers have made the info available.... but not Cub.
 
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