94 Ford F250 battery cable

   / 94 Ford F250 battery cable #21  
Alan, the best way to prepare the solder joint is to apply solder separately to the cup (crimp connection) and then to the wire. In the parlance of soldering, this is called "tinning the cup and the wire." This ensures that your solder will wet the wire thoroughly and and the cup so that you will not have a cold solder joint. After you have both pieces heated enough to wet, the third operation is simply heating both the wire and the cup to the point that the solder melts and put the two together.

Electrical solder melts at 360 degrees, but that is not hot enough to cause wetting of the solder to the copper. In the case of copper wire, wetting will occur at 510 to 525 degrees if there is no oxidation of the wire. Wetting is the process where the solder actually dissolves the surface of the copper to form a permanent mixture of metals. It's like putting a candy sucker into a glass of water. The surface of the sucker doesn't melt, but it dissolves and the water and candy mix. The copper has to be at over 500 degrees for the solder to melt, flow, and wet the strands of wire.

The common way to pretin small copper wires in electronic manufacturing is to use a solder pot. This is a pot of solder that is kept at about 550 degrees. The stripped and prepared end of the copper wire is dipped into rosin flux and then dipped for only a short period of time into the solder pot. The flux breaks down the surface tension of the molten solder and keeps the copper from oxidizing. If oxidation forms, the solder cannot come into direct contact with the copper and therefore cannot dissolve if for proper wetting. Oxidation is kinda like leaving the wrapper on the sucker and dipping it into water.

Since you don't have a solder pot, I would suggest heating the end of the wire with flux applied and then touch the tip with solder so that it flows and wicks up into the strands. Do not over apply solder. The perfect amount is just enough to bond all the wires, but leave each strand visible. Before you start heating the wire, try to clean it and twist the strands together so they are as close to original as possible (original meaning how they are inside the insulated wire).

Next, heat the connector and apply solder until it wets. Finally, hold the wire close to the connnector and heat both with the torch until you can see the solder on both is melted. Place them together and remove the heat. You're all done.:)

As I mentioned before, preparation is the key to success. Clean wire and plenty of flux will help you control oxidation. I would definitely use a torch for this because it will take a huge soldering iron and special technique to produce enough heat to do a proper job. The problem with the torch is that you can overdo the heat and burn off the flux if you don't heat carefully. The proper tool would probably be a soldering iron with a tip the size of your thumb. You probably don't have anything like that. There are some torch kits that have large soldering tips and one of those might work as well. With a tip, the trick is to keep it tinned and form a solder bridge so you get proper heat transfer to your workpiece. Good soldering techniques are not always intuitive. They're learned like good welding technique.

Now, having said all this, in your situation, I might just get the end of the wire as clean as possible and insert it into the cup. Apply flux and heat until you can apply solder and let it flow into the connection. After all, you aren't building airplanes or space ships. It will probably be just fine, but be sure to use enough flux and heat that your joint isn't cold solder.;)
 
   / 94 Ford F250 battery cable #22  
I just replaced the cables on my '92 F250HD 7.3L IDI this past spring. They are readily available at NAPA and they are not hard to replace. Seems easier in the long run...
 
   / 94 Ford F250 battery cable #23  
My cables were also shot on my 85 F250 diesel so I made new positive and ground cables out of tinned copper 2/0 wire with crimp on lugs and heat shrink (the kind with the glue in it...not the cheap stuff). I have a battery cable crimper so it makes it easier.

A couple of photos of the old cables and the new.
 

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#25  
Wow, great information. I guess I understood some of it. The part about cleaning up the wires and shoving them into the connector, then soldering seems doable. Should I put flux on the wires before shoving them in, them more flux on exposed wire?

I went to 3 parts stores looking for one of the flag connectors and found none. Guess I'll have to order it. The main reason for not getting a wiring harness is that it looks difficult to change out - I was afraid I'd have to pull the engine :)

Is there a recommended brand of torch? Last one I bought at Lowes wouldn't stay lit when I tilted it.
 
   / 94 Ford F250 battery cable #26  
Alan, after reading my last post, it occured to me that if you had asked for a dollars worth of change, most people would give you four quarters. On the other hand, I gave you 100 pennies.:eek:

I have this BernzOmatic torch kit, but I don't think it has enough mass to provide the heat you need to heat a large connection. I also have an old full-size torch kit that has a big copper soldering tip, but they seem to have discontinued this kit. I think you will have to carefully use a micro-torch or full-size torch with an open flame to get your connection hot enough. Perhaps some of the other TBNers who have soldered such a big connection will post what they used.

EDIT: I can't help myself. So if you don't want more techinical info, don't read this.:rolleyes:

The melting point of pure lead is 621 F and tin is 450 F. When you conbine them into 60% tin and 40% lead solder, the melting point is 360 F. This is the amazing characteristic that makes electrical soldering possible at 525 F and below. Unfortunately, if you overheat the solder, the tin and lead start to separate. Suddenly, you will see very grainy looking solder because the lead may solidify and the lead and tin oxidize into an unmanageable sludge. Underheated solder shows the characteristic of having rounded edges that do not blend into the metal being soldered. Overheated solder is rough and grainy with tiny chunks of solid lead in it and very pitted.

Okay! Class dismissed. . . :D
 
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#27  
That 100 pennies is still a dollar more than I had. Thanks.
 
   / 94 Ford F250 battery cable #28  
The terminal for the positive side of one of the batteries (diesel) is loose and wallowed out and you can't get it tight. I would get a new terminal and clamp it on there, but the problem is that the terminal is not at the end of the cable. Instead, the cable keeps going past the battery.

Anyone know of a way to fix this without replacing the entire cable? The replacement cable is $100 but more importantly it appears it would be very difficult to replace - its long and goes down in the engine compartment to the starter, etc where you can't see it.

put a copper penny on a board and peen it.. now slip it in to take up the space.

soundguy
 
   / 94 Ford F250 battery cable #29  
Use a hacksaw or file to remove some material on the inside where the tightening bolt goes thru.:D
 
   / 94 Ford F250 battery cable
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#30  
It think somebody has already removed some material from the connector - its pretty thin as it is. But the penny trick might be worth a try for the short term.
 

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