Adding Hyd Remotes-Why so much price diff?

[npalen]

https://summit-hydraulics.com/product/monoblock-hydraulic-directional-control-valve-4-spool-11-gpm/

4 Spool 8 GPM Prince MB41BBBB5C1 DA Valve | Directional Control Valves | Hydraulic Valves | Hydraulics | www.surpluscenter.com

4 Spool 8 GPM Prince MB41BBBB5C1 DA Valve, Directional Control Valves, 4 SPOOL 8 GPM PRINCE MB41BBBB5C1 DA VALVE, COMPACT 4 SPOOL DOUBLE ACTINGPrince Mfg,MB41BBBB5C1 ,

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I have one of the SurplusCenter Prince/Wolverine multi spool valves for a remote on the Kubota and looking to add rear remotes on the Mahindra.
Wondering why the SurplusCenter/Prince/Wolverine four spool above is twice the price of the Summit four spool.

Anyone with Summit hydraulics experience?

 

[LD1]

Prince is a premium brand.

Why does Deere cost more than LS or TYM.

No experience with summit, my valve is a cheap chief brand I think. It's fine.

 

[npalen]

Prince is a premium brand.

Why does Deere cost more than LS or TYM.

No experience with summit, my valve is a cheap chief brand I think. It's fine.

"Prince is a premium brand" Are you saying that because of experience with the pros and cons of various brands or because the Prince costs twice as much?

 

[npalen]

https://www.baileyhydraulics.com/Bailey-12-Series-Directional-Control-Valve-4-Spool-4-way-3-pos.-tandem-center-SAE-8

https://www.baileyhydraulics.com/Chief-Directional-Control-Valves-ED-Series-4-way-3-pos-Tandem-Center-Max-GPM-10_4

Doesn't look like either the Chief or Bailey are cheap.
I'm guessing that all these valves have load checks but could be wrong. My Prince Wolverine has load checks and they are a nuisance when wanting to lower a load with the tractor engine off. I guess they serve their purpose, though, of preventing a sudden load drop when shifting the loader vavvle.

 

[ptsg]

https://www.baileyhydraulics.com/Bailey-12-Series-Directional-Control-Valve-4-Spool-4-way-3-pos.-tandem-center-SAE-8

https://www.baileyhydraulics.com/Chief-Directional-Control-Valves-ED-Series-4-way-3-pos-Tandem-Center-Max-GPM-10_4

Doesn't look like either the Chief or Bailey are cheap.
I'm guessing that all these valves have load checks but could be wrong. My Prince Wolverine has load checks and they are a nuisance when wanting to lower a load with the tractor engine off. I guess they serve their purpose, though, of preventing a sudden load drop when shifting the loader vavvle.

The Chief and Summit valve is just a rebranded Badestnost valve made in Bulgaria. I have the same exact valve on my homemade backhoe, two actually, and the 4 spool one cost me around $225 like 10 or 12 years ago. It's a very basic valve, so no load check valves and while being one of the cheapest valves available, they do have some nice quality and low internal leakage.

Another thing, the load check valves won't prevent you from lowering a load with the engine off. You can still do it just fine.

 

[npalen]

The Chief and Summit valve is just a rebranded Badestnost valve made in Bulgaria. I have the same exact valve on my homemade backhoe, two actually, and the 4 spool one cost me around $225 like 10 or 12 years ago. It's a very basic valve, so no load check valves and while being one of the cheapest valves available, they do have some nice quality and low internal leakage.

Another thing, the load check valves won't prevent you from lowering a load with the engine off. You can still do it just fine.

I am able to lower a load with the engine off but it takes forever with the Prince valve. It acts like the load check is holding it but there is a very slight leakage past. I would be really interested to know how these load checks actually function. I realize that their purpose is to keep the load from suddenly dropping while the valve is being shifted. Most, if not all, directional valves that I've used in the last 60 years will let a load drop very fast with the engine shut off and spool shifted? Maybe someone can enlighten me?

 

[ptsg]

I am able to lower a load with the engine off but it takes forever with the Prince valve. It acts like the load check is holding it but there is a very slight leakage past. I would be really interested to know how these load checks actually function. I realize that their purpose is to keep the load from suddenly dropping while the valve is being shifted. Most, if not all, directional valves that I've used in the last 60 years will let a load drop very fast with the engine shut off and spool shifted? Maybe someone can enlighten me?

I have load checks on my used loader valve and it can and will lower just fine with the engine off at whatever speed I or gravity desires. It's a Rexroth-Sicma valve out of either a older Case backhoe or skidsteer.

The remote valve of the tractor also has a load check valve and it will also let the hydraulic top link extend just fine with the engine off with the implement in the air.

 

[amhicks21]

I havent used the summit valves because i got lucky to find a deal on prince when i put remotes on a few tractors but ive used quite a few summit fittings and couplers and i was really impressed considering the low cost and havent had any issues with them yet.

 

[LD1]

"Prince is a premium brand" Are you saying that because of experience with the pros and cons of various brands or because the Prince costs twice as much?

I'm saying it based on reputation.

Snapon is a premium brand.... But what can a snapon wrench or socket so that a kobalt, craftsman, Napa, or harbor freight one can't.....(other than bankrupt you).

Similar. No idea which one is better. Or if you could even tell a difference.

The perception is that prince is top tier. Thus costs more.

Same for their cylinders. Price a chief or maxim or magistar cylinder then price a prince.

 

[npalen]

The Chief and Summit valve is just a rebranded Badestnost valve made in Bulgaria. I have the same exact valve on my homemade backhoe, two actually, and the 4 spool one cost me around $225 like 10 or 12 years ago. It's a very basic valve, so no load check valves and while being one of the cheapest valves available, they do have some nice quality and low internal leakage.

Another thing, the load check valves won't prevent you from lowering a load with the engine off. You can still do it just fine.

Did a little research on Badestnost and found them to be very interesting and professional. I noticed that they have a different description of a "valve to operate a cylinder or motor":

Description: Manually or mechanically controlled hydraulic distributor Р35 is designed for distribution and control of work flow between generator (pump) and executive mechanisms (cylinder, hydro-motor, etc.). Relief valve is integrated therein.

 

[npalen]

I'm saying it based on reputation.

Snapon is a premium brand.... But what can a snapon wrench or socket so that a kobalt, craftsman, Napa, or harbor freight one can't.....(other than bankrupt you).

Similar. No idea which one is better. Or if you could even tell a difference.

The perception is that prince is top tier. Thus costs more.

Same for their cylinders. Price a chief or maxim or magistar cylinder then price a prince.

Your feedback is appreciated! We used thousands of prince valves and cylinders over the years in manufacturing farm tillage and seeding equipment. They were one of the innovators of the rephasing (master/slave) cylinders used to synchronize multi section implements of 60 feet width and even larger today.

 

[Torvy]

Sometimes, higher price is a marketing tool. A bit counterintuitive, but some people perceive higher cost as indicative of higher quality. Low prices can give the impression that a product is cheaply made.

One reason I like the TYM is that it comes with two sets of rear valves already installed and the price is still lower than competition.

 

[npalen]

Sometimes, higher price is a marketing tool. A bit counterintuitive, but some people perceive higher cost as indicative of higher quality. Low prices can give the impression that a product is cheaply made.

One reason I like the TYM is that it comes with two sets of rear valves already installed and the price is still lower than competition.

I agree about the higher price being a "marketing tool". It probably works well until folks like us at TBN discover that the same valve can be had at half price.

 

[npalen]

OP reporting back.

Here is the remote Summit four spool valve mounted and plumbed to top and tilt with the two remaining spools having the 3/8" 7241-1 Series A quick couplers. I use this particular coupler as the 3/8" size allows direct mount of the couplers to the valve body which eliminates a bunch of extra hoses as shown.

https://summit-hydraulics.com/product/monoblock-hydraulic-directional-control-valve-4-spool-11-gpm/

 

[ptsg]

OP reporting back.

Here is the remote Summit four spool valve mounted and plumbed to top and tilt with the two remaining spools having the 3/8" 7241-1 Series A quick couplers. I use this particular coupler as the 3/8" size allows direct mount of the couplers to the valve body which eliminates a bunch of extra hoses as shown.

https://summit-hydraulics.com/product/monoblock-hydraulic-directional-control-valve-4-spool-11-gpm/

Nice and clean! Great job!

The smaller QDs definitely save a lot of hassle and extra expense with a bunch of fittings or hoses, depending on the setup.

 

[npalen]

Nice and clean! Great job!

The smaller QDs definitely save a lot of hassle and extra expense with a bunch of fittings or hoses, depending on the setup.

Thanks!

Yes, it takes plenty of hoses and fittings just to plumb the three lines to the new valve as well as the TNT. The fit and finish on the Summit valve (made by Badestnost) look good.

I was using a manual selector valve (seen upper right with the yellow handle in the pic) plumbed off of the loader bucket tilt circuit to operate just a top link cylinder. Will keep the selector in place as might be useful for another function such as hydraulic lock on the SSQA.

 

[npalen]

An obvious disadvantage of having couplers direct mounted to the valve, as seen in the above photo, is that any couplers larger than the 3/8" size won't fit. I have one situation where I use a friends twelve foot grass seed drill which has 1/2" Pioneer type couplers on it's pair of hydraulic hoses.

I've used a pair of adapters in the past that simply plugged into the pair of tractor hoses that went from the diverter valve to the back of the tractor to serve as a remote. The couplers were not mounted but rather just plumbed to each "loose" hose.

I'm wondering, in lieu of using a short piece of hose as part of at least one of the two coupler adapters to overcome the close spacing issue, whether I can just plug each existing adapter into separate spools of the valve shown above.

To achieve the spacing necessary, one adapter would go into the valve "A" port and the other adapter would go into the "B" port on the adjacent spool. Then, to operate the cylinder on the grass seeder, pull or push those two spool handles in unison and in the same direction to raise or lower the drill openers.

For example, to raise the openers, PULL both handles and then to lower PUSH both handles. Seems like it should work. Right?

 

[ericm979]

can you put one set on short risers so the couplers don't interfere?

 

[npalen]

can you put one set on short risers so the couplers don't interfere?

Possibly. Good idea.

 

[amhicks21]

sounds like what you're saying would work, but its not really ideal. I did 90 degree fittings splayed out to fit 1/2" couplers. perhaps you could do 45's?