Amsoil???

[crashz]

I would suggest anyone interested go to bobistheoilguy.com

I was going to suggest the same thing. I've learned a lot of info there!

Many UOAs will give you a general veiw of the oils that you are researching, but just as important are the VOAs (virgin oil analysis) to see what additives are in the oil from the start. These are also less biased, as there are virtually no exteranl conitditions that can change between VOAs of the same oil. Other than lab equiment accuracy.

I'm in the same boat as Frank. I like Amsoil's products. But do not like their marketing and sales structure.

Frank - I thought I recognized your name from BITOG, but its been a while since I've spent time there.

 

[frank_miller]

I was going to suggest the same thing. I've learned a lot of info there!

Many UOAs will give you a general veiw of the oils that you are researching, but just as important are the VOAs (virgin oil analysis) to see what additives are in the oil from the start. These are also less biased, as there are virtually no exteranl conitditions that can change between VOAs of the same oil. Other than lab equiment accuracy.

I'm in the same boat as Frank. I like Amsoil's products. But do not like their marketing and sales structure.

Frank - I thought I recognized your name from BITOG, but its been a while since I've spent time there.

wrong Frank..sorry

 

[Z71]

Then you do have something against Amsoil?

their marketing is poor along with other areas.

Just admit it, you know its true or you would not continue to interject little comments like the one above.


This is funny, people just want to criticize Amsoil no matter what. Oh they got good products but I don't like this and I don't like the way the do that.

I wonder, do you all like the marketing and sales structure of the other oil companies??

Call up Mobil ! and tell them you want to become a dealer or buy their oil at Dealer cost. Think they will say, no problem? Heck no, they only sell their oil through big distributors who then sell to other distributors who sell it to jobbers who sell it to dealers who sell it to customers. All the while Mobil is under cutting their distributors by selling to big box retailers at lower prices.

Call Amsoil and ask to be a dealer or a preferred customer, they will say sure you can be a dealer and yes you can buy product at dealer cost and never become a dealer? Yet some feel some how this is bad marketing.

As far as middlemen, there are actually a lot less middlemen in the AMSOIL marketing method than that of any other major oil company. Take a moment and just think logically about how many hands a traditional oil company's product could pass through before it arrives at the consumer, many. Consider the millions/billions spent by major oil companies on NASCAR sponsorships and prime time TV ads. Who pays for that? You do. So, how do you suppose the price of the product stays so "low". Cut the quality. That's the only way. That doesn't mean other oils are not "good" oils, it simply means they are not as good as they could be.

 

[MikePA]

I like Mobil 1 but don't like the way they sell to wholesalers who then sell to my local auto store.

 

[ChesapeakeMarine]

Wow, the overwhelmingly vast majority, except for one or two, of the responses has been great. A lot of good information about the quality of the Amsoil products and the way they do business. Thank you for that.

A company is free to conduct business any way that it legally wants to. Just because a company chooses to sell through a MLM structure does not make it a bad company or the people involved bad people. I think MLM's get a bad rap because I think there is a very high failure rate from what I understand. To make a MLM work you must be very proactive to find customers which requires very hard work just like a traditionally structured business. Customers don't just line up at your front door or call you every day to purchase your products, MLM or not. I believe most folks that try the MLM structure have the idea that it may be a easy way to make big money. When these folks find out that it takes a tremendous amount of hard work and time to make a business succeed, whether a MLM or more traditional structure, they close up shop.

I think that I will give the oil a try when one of my trucks is due for a change.

 

[frank_miller]

Then you do have something against Amsoil?

Just admit it, you know its true or you would not continue to interject little comments like the one above.


This is funny, people just want to criticize Amsoil no matter what. Oh they got good products but I don't like this and I don't like the way the do that.

I wonder, do you all like the marketing and sales structure of the other oil companies??

Call up Mobil ! and tell them you want to become a dealer or buy their oil at Dealer cost. Think they will say, no problem? Heck no, they only sell their oil through big distributors who then sell to other distributors who sell it to jobbers who sell it to dealers who sell it to customers. All the while Mobil is under cutting their distributors by selling to big box retailers at lower prices.

Call Amsoil and ask to be a dealer or a preferred customer, they will say sure you can be a dealer and yes you can buy product at dealer cost and never become a dealer? Yet some feel some how this is bad marketing.

As far as middlemen, there are actually a lot less middlemen in the AMSOIL marketing method than that of any other major oil company. Take a moment and just think logically about how many hands a traditional oil company's product could pass through before it arrives at the consumer, many. Consider the millions/billions spent by major oil companies on NASCAR sponsorships and prime time TV ads. Who pays for that? You do. So, how do you suppose the price of the product stays so "low". Cut the quality. That's the only way. That doesn't mean other oils are not "good" oils, it simply means they are not as good as they could be.

I again do not have a problem (as I noted time and time again) with their products nor and I "attacking them as you stated". I can "criticize" this issue I have since it is not attacking them and their dealers think it is; as you have shown. Their dealers need to lighten up a little. You all take the same stance without anything to support it..

When most dealers sign up for a $25 fee any person can sell the oil. THAT IS THE PROBLEM. Most dealers think it is all great and really have no idea on oils, why it is good, how come etc. They just read the books and talk what the book says. But really they have no clue. That is a problem, not an attack. Maybe if they limited people selling the product or educate their $25 dealers, they [Amsoil] would get a better name. When I ask any dealer to show me something to support how great the oil is, do not show me a Amsoil catalog. Show me your UOA and prove how it runs in your engine. Most do not. Most dealers say it can go 25K miles or 35K miles. Which in 99.5% of the cases, you cannot. Again ask your TECH people how they came up with the 25K? Again there tests in the monthly mag is a total tale.

I do not have a problem with middleman or anything but crappy dealers yes. That is the problem. But what do you want for $25 to signup anyone.

This is my last post on this forum since again most Amsoil dealers have no clue.

 

[kenmac]

I know what you are saying about the 25- 35 k b -4 changes . U have to have a UAO to prove it. Example, I have a compact car that only holds 3 quarts of oil including filter.According to my UAO for this vehicle, the oil is only good for 8500 miles. In my truck , The oil is good at 22k after changing the oil filter and topping the oil off at 10k . Again , this is per UAO

 

[ChesapeakeMarine]

I again do not have a problem (as I noted time and time again) with their products nor and I "attacking them as you stated". I can "criticize" this issue I have since it is not attacking them and their dealers think it is; as you have shown. Their dealers need to lighten up a little. You all take the same stance without anything to support it..

When most dealers sign up for a $25 fee any person can sell the oil. THAT IS THE PROBLEM. Most dealers think it is all great and really have no idea on oils, why it is good, how come etc. They just read the books and talk what the book says. But really they have no clue. That is a problem, not an attack. Maybe if they limited people selling the product or educate their $25 dealers, they [Amsoil] would get a better name. When I ask any dealer to show me something to support how great the oil is, do not show me a Amsoil catalog. Show me your UOA and prove how it runs in your engine. Most do not. Most dealers say it can go 25K miles or 35K miles. Which in 99.5% of the cases, you cannot. Again ask your TECH people how they came up with the 25K? Again there tests in the monthly mag is a total tale.

I do not have a problem with middleman or anything but crappy dealers yes. That is the problem. But what do you want for $25 to signup anyone.

This is my last post on this forum since again most Amsoil dealers have no clue.

A lot of people sell products they know very little about if anything at all...Ever ask a question about oil, a power tool, a garden tractor, a surface planer, a jointer, a type of fertilizer, insulation, a green arborvitae, a fastener, a sliding patio door...at Lowes or Home Depot? The stores are full of employees who don't know anything about what they sell and barely know where those products are in the store.

If you can read the Amsoil website it looks to be rather easy to figure out what kind of oil to use for a particular application which I have just recently done and I didn't know much about Amsoil products until very recently.

 

[sixdogs]

I again do not have a problem (as I noted time and time again) with their products nor and I "attacking them as you stated". I can "criticize" this issue I have since it is not attacking them and their dealers think it is; as you have shown. Their dealers need to lighten up a little. You all take the same stance without anything to support it..

When most dealers sign up for a $25 fee any person can sell the oil. THAT IS THE PROBLEM. Most dealers think it is all great and really have no idea on oils, why it is good, how come etc. They just read the books and talk what the book says. But really they have no clue. That is a problem, not an attack. Maybe if they limited people selling the product or educate their $25 dealers, they [Amsoil] would get a better name. When I ask any dealer to show me something to support how great the oil is, do not show me a Amsoil catalog. Show me your UOA and prove how it runs in your engine. Most do not. Most dealers say it can go 25K miles or 35K miles. Which in 99.5% of the cases, you cannot. Again ask your TECH people how they came up with the 25K? Again there tests in the monthly mag is a total tale.

I do not have a problem with middleman or anything but crappy dealers yes. That is the problem. But what do you want for $25 to signup anyone.

This is my last post on this forum since again most Amsoil dealers have no clue.

Frank--you need to stay on this board. You have a lot to offer and you just have to grin and bear the Amsoil crowd.
Amsoil is probably a fine oil but the MLM has a cost associated with it that the consumer must bear. Or choose not to. Some get it and some don't and that's OK.
Ignore those posts and stick around, if for no other reason than to offer support when others are in need. After all, it's only oil and they keep makin' it every day.

 

[kenmac]

Frank--you need to stay on this board. You have a lot to offer and you just have to grin and bear the Amsoil crowd.






I don't think he'll be leaving. He does have a wealth of knowledge