PaulB, now how can you pick on a Dodge diesel. Are you still not getting enough sleep? I mean it has THE engine! This comes from the voice of experience. My last diesel pick-up was a '85 GMC. All I'll say about that piece of crap is that at about 70,000 miles the engine blew. I now have the advange of having a Ford 250 diesel and a Dodge 3500 diesel. What a difference in engines, Paul. Just the other day I taped both engines. I came in and listened to that sweet sound of the Cummins, and then to that whimpy spattering noise the Powerstroke makes. Then I decided to slow the tape down and listen to the two engines. God, when you listed to the tape of the Cummins slowed down by 50% you hear "BHA DA DA DA DA DA DA DA..." But when you hear the Powerstroke tape slowed down the same amount you hear "far-fet-nu-gan, far-fet-nu-gan, far-fet-nu-gan" (This is not meant as a cut to Mark and his Volkswaggon)