Amsoil

[Dargo]

At the very least, your friend who is running 20 to 30k miles on his oil will void any warranty on his engine from any manufacturer. Also, if he is honest and discloses his practices to any potential buyer when he goes to sell his vehicles, I'd bet 99% of the people would immediately lose all interest in purchasing anything from him. I wouldn't buy a push mower from him knowing that is his theory on oil longevity.

 

[gsxr1100]

no problem. I have heard that a millions times

 

[gsxr1100]

Before this gets way blown out of whack, let me say the oil in question can and will go XXX miles (from 10 to 35K). I have seen it and use it for over 10-years. Also this length of time is without a by-pass filter also.

I run my Lexus over 12K and based on my oil test I could go to around 17K miles due to TBN, Nox and Oxd levels. I am playing it safe and the oil could go longer. I do my filter at 6-months of 12K miles (whatever is first). At my 6-months the oil looks 90% new!

Also I am not starting a war but you will NOT void your car warranty by going over what the manual/manufacture recommends; notice the NO manufacture states you MUST do anything. I am doing this on my Lexus, my Wife’s Mercedes, my GSX-Rf1100 and my parents also do it.

I have some oil results from my last tests and some pix on my website of my GSXR1100 with oil pan removal. The insides are SWEET!

So far in 10 years no car dealer has said anything to me when I bring my car in. Also if something goes wrong the first thing they will no is question the oil. They will do an oil tests.

I will not go into detail, but extended drains are ONLY capable if the engine is running at 100% not 90 or 80..If Amsoil states this if you read their warranty.

My last Truck, Powerstroke diesel was going just about 3x the normal per my manual. The oil tests were perfect and I traded it in for my Lexus. The head mechanic said he wanted to truck BEFORE I even bought the car. I even talked with him when I pickup up my car and he was amazed on how I took care of it. He was amazed that I even had oil tests to prove the engine was mint.

So to close, you can go longer using their oil and yes it works. So far it is the best bang for the dollar I have seen (based on oil results from lots of oils out there.).

 

[Dargo]

The only issue that I feel obligated to point out is that you most certainly will void your factory warranty by going 20K miles before an oil change. I just so happen to be in this business and every service manager at every franchised dealership will tell you that fact as well. When they are footing the bill, i.e. the repair, you must abide by their rules. Each and every day I put my money where my mouth (and actuarial data) is on this matter. If you do not do your part to maintain your engine properly, legally they are not at all obligated to honor their warranty due to "abuse" and "lack of maintenance".
That issue is not up for debate. Feel free to call any manufacturer and tell them that you plan to go 20k to 30k in between oil changes and ask them if they will still honor their engine warranty. In short, the answer is an unwaivering "no". They do not care if you use super synthetic molecularly indestructible and any other claim from the oil product label, the answer is that you voided your manufacturer's warranty. You may possibly have recourse on the manufacturer of your oil product if they have their own warranty, but the engine manufacturer will clearly state that you have voided their obligation.

 

[slowrev]

I agree with Dargo on the warranty issue. Also the current oil in the engine tells nothing. It could have been changed the day before you take the car in. You need to keep records indicating oil / filter changes.

I used to work at a GM dealership.

Ben

 

[gsxr1100]

And where is that spelled out in my manual? It is not. The car dealer will need to PROVE you messed up. This has been around on every forum online and without proof..for years. You get the people saying this and that. Prove to me I had it in there longer, did not drain etc. Anyone can make sales slips, recycle station slips showing a “liquid” was dropped off, fake this and that, say this and that. Again prove what abuse is or lack of when you have oil tests to prove it is fine? Again, I asked the owner of my Ford Dealership when I had my Powerstoke and he even stated, when an engine fails the #2 thing is we look at the oil via an oil tests” since we did not trust people.

The next thing is that my old oil tests will be better then any dino oil with 5K miles on it. In some of the other forums I am involved in, I had one guy show me his results with only 4,500 miles and I laughed. The oil sucked but that oil is fine if you go by the manual. Also the manual is a guide, that is all. Not set in stone.

To close, I do not care if you work on this or that. Show me proof (in writing) that my manual states I MUST adhere to it or anything. I see what they recommend, not state I must do. Plus Lexus, or any manufacture will not trust what some customer says or gives them. They will run oil tests. Again, they have to PROVE you are wrong.

 

[gsxr1100]

The current oil DOES tell the story. Example, if the engine is "blown' and there is new oil in it, the customer is wrong.

If there is old oil, they will run a test. It is not that hard to understand.

 

[Dargo]

Uh, actually, no, they do not need to prove you are wrong. If they (the dealership or manufacturer) have reason to believe that the vehicle was not maintained properly, you are the one who must provide the proof that you didn't do something that would void your warranty, such as driving 20,000 miles without a oil change. And, yes, you are correct in saying that anyone can hand write notes where they changed the oil. Those do not stand up in litigation.
We are not in a court of law here. You are not necessarily innocent until proven guilty. You have a fairly strict set of procedures you must adhere to in order to keep your warranty valid. In other words, you must do certain things (like change your oil and filter at specified intervals) for them to do certain things (like honor your warranty). Again, call any manufacturer or dealership, tell them that you have diligently changed your oil filter only, but have run the same oil in your vehicle for 30,000 miles and ask if you still have any warranty on your engine if it breaks. I don't mean to talk down to you on this matter, but let's just say that I have a very inside track on this matter with vehicles.
It has been common subjects for good laughs in break rooms when a service writer tells of how a customer didn't change oil by the manufacturer's guidelines and has their warranty deemed void. They get even a bigger laugh if the customer states that "you'll be hearing from my attorney". Let's just say that in 99 out of 100 of those customers who actually contact an attorney, the attorney will not take the case; unless he is charging by the hour and has no part of his fee based upon a contingency schedule.
I've "been there, done that" for over 20 years, and I've never once seen a customer win when they have neglected to change their oil for 20 or 30 or 40 thousand miles. Regardless of the manufacturer, they all consider that abuse and failure to perform scheduled maintenance. If you have exceeded the time schedule on your Lexus and have an engine failure, I certainly would not volunteer that you have run 20k miles without changing the oil.
I don't doubt that Amsoil, Mobil Delvac, Rotella etc. are great oils, but you will never get a manufacturer pay for a claim if it is known that you have gone well over the prescribed oil change intervals.

 

[slowrev]

No comment, will not get into a shouting match on here. It is too nice of a board to clutter it up with that.

Have a nice day.

Ben

 

[gsxr1100]

Dargo- Send Amsoil your comments on this. I am not going to beat a dead horse on 1-billion boards about the same non-issue on oil intervals.

Prove I did not do it or I even did do the oil changes. Been there done that on other boards. Some stuff wit nothing to back it up.

Again, Email Amsoil on this "guessing issue". Also I suggest you READ there warrenty. http://www.amsoil.com/warranty.htm




Again, My Lexus manual does not I must do anything let alone that we have a sludge engine in some years. Look at paragraph 3 on this doc I got...http://home.comcast.net/~94gsxr1100/lexus/oil/Sludge1.pdf

I do not see anythign states.