Amsoil

gsxr1100 · Oct 19, 2004

The point is that this is "all what we think" and I am going to ask them again. I know this answer and what they will say and I would like to post it on this board for some users.

This issue always comes up (for the last 20 years) and people are warranty scared bigtime. It is unreal.

Again people could follow it 100% and the car dealers will make up something to say this and that.

gsxr1100 · Oct 19, 2004

Yes dino oil works, but so did the world before computers, before cars, etc. It is called continuous improvement.

Soundguy · Oct 19, 2004

( The point is that this is "all what we think )

What about the poster that reported on the info on their website.. that isn't a 'think' but a 'read'?? If their website says somehting.. yet they say something else via email.. I'd be suspicious of both...

( Again people could follow it 100% and the car dealers will make up something to say this and that )

Well.. see.. there's the real answer that we have been talking about. It doesn't matter how good the oil is.. or whether it really does work or not... if the car makers are going to try and not warranty units due to this issue.. then it become a real credible problem for the users.. regardless of whether the oil is awesome or not. And since the oil maker won't do anything but warranty the oil.. that leaves the end user a bit stuck between a car maker that is going to try and not warranty a unit, and the user who must prove/try to get the car maker to warranty the unit.

The info from the oil maker you are trying to get is essentially useless to the end user if the automakers won't work with it.. it is no more than lip service since there is no way to force tha car maker to validate the warranty.. short of legal action.

I think that is the big holdup for alot of customers. It isn't that they don't think the product is good.. it is them thinking 'gosh.. to get the benefits and moneysavings of extended mileage changes I'll likely have to sue my car dealer to get him to do warranty work if a problem ever comes up".. then the poor sap goes and buys the regular oil knowing that he will have less problems getting a warranty pushed thru.

( we aren't saying the syn oil isn't good... but until the car maker stands 100% behind the oil and increased intervals... there is going to be a large amount conservative non-risk taking consumers that won't buy into it. )

Soundguy

gsxr1100 · Oct 19, 2004

From a $$$ standpoint the car manufactures will never do it since you are opening a can of worms....since most owners are clueless on the process, why , etc. Nevermind the fact that most owners don't even know how to do oil changes.

If you do not feel like doing longer oil changes don't. But again, sample some dino oil at 5K and I will tell you my synthetic oil with more miles will have better results. Again, if you have that much free time, extra oil, please feel free to do it. So far in over 10 years never had a problem and my oil tests are better then dino and most synthetics.

Again 99.99% of people put WAY to much faith in car makers. You think if you go longer something will happen. It won't if you car is running as designed. So if using dino and you go 0.01 mile over you will void warrenty?

Again no one on this board is coming up with anything new. This again is the age old debate on voiding this and that.

slowrev · Oct 19, 2004

On the continuous improvement issue, for me if something does the job I am satisfied with it. I don't need a Lexus when a Subaru will do the job just fine.

Last post from me on this subject.

Ben

gsxr1100 · Oct 19, 2004

If that was the case for example,dial up would be fine, vs broadband or a T1 line. Again everything has a price and you get what you pay for. Why buy a Kubota or JD went a real horse works?

Do you want to spend $40K on a car and put 40 year old tech dino oil in?

Last post for me since no one has shown anything different then the last 20-years on this oil debate.

Follow the short engine drains and it will do something, lighten your bank account. In the ten-years of my usuage I have never had a car have any engine problems, no smoking tail pipes, no sluge, no gaskets, no nothing. Again, oil tests show the oil is perfect.

SkyPup · Oct 19, 2004

We've been going conserative on our VW TDI turbocharged diesels and changing out the Amsoil 10W-40 at 15,000 miles for twelve years now with zero problems.

All six motorcycles also get the same oil with 5,000 mile changes since they have such high rpms and the clutch and tranny is in the same oil. No problems whatsoever in last fifteen years.

We generally go for 100-150 hours on the tractors, ATVs, pickup trucks, and logsplitter without any trouble now for the last twenty years.

BTW, it never fails to totally amaze me that the two turbodiesel TDIs can run hard for 15,000 miles between Amsoil 10W-40 changes for years on end and still burn absolutely NO OIL!!! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Neither turbodiesel has yet to consume any measurable amount of oil. Simply incredible what advanced synthetic petrochemical oil technology has done for modern engine designs.

Soundguy · Oct 19, 2004

( But again, sample some dino oil at 5K and I will )

I don't usually change at 5k.. but sooner. The few times I've done an oil test was whn purchasing a vehicle that was a yer old. In any case.. at 3.5k on dino oil with an engine in good order.. the oil is still new.

Soundguy

Soundguy · Oct 19, 2004

( Why buy a Kubota or JD went a real horse works?
)

Not an apples to apples comparison.. not even an apples to grape comparison. Horses don't hook up to fel's and PHD's too good.

( Follow the short engine drains and it will do something, lighten your bank account. )

Not so sure about that. The price of the syn oil is decently higher than a good grade dino. Subtract out the filter changes that that are done one both units. It is at least close in terms of price to longer interval changes vs less expensive oil at lower interval changes. Like I said... dino oil in a good engine, at mid to low milage changes checks out fine..

( In the ten-years of my usuage I have never had a car have any engine problems, no smoking tail pipes, no sluge, no gaskets, no nothing. )

I've never used syn.. and I have never had one of my .. engines in one of my vehicles break down either... And I've run quite a few into the hundreds of thousand miles range..
My guess is any good quality oil.. in an engine in good repair, will perform to at least an acceptable level of standards for life and wear protection. the fact that syn oil excedes this level ( greatly? ) has obviously not got everone out buying the shelves clean of syn oil. In fact looking at most shelves.. the syn oil occupies a small dusty corner accounting for less than 10% of the space given to the dino oils...
Hmm... interesting... /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif

Soundguy

gsxr1100 · Oct 19, 2004

Sure it is only 10% because 90% of people are cheap.

Example, look at Wal-mart. You do not see expensive items in there. Look at the people shopping there. I am not knocking the store but if you want real electronics, car parts, etc you do not shop there. You go to stores that know there stuff and sell real products.

Again, you get what you pay for. Why do you think most people buy MTD for a lawn mower and not JD? This is the same thing as years ago (not to long ago) most trucks needed to drain the rear diffs. Now some are fill for 100K or for life. Again things change that is what people do..or most.

Well, example here, I can do 2 filters and 6 qts and go 1-year or 15K at about $40. If you do your short drains with 5 filters and change every 3K it would be around $52.5 (filters are $4 Each and oil at $1.3 qt). You are paying more, more time, more used oil, etc

I will say your oil at 3 or 5K miles will protect less using dino and the properties of the dino will be far less then most group 4 or group 5 synthetics. The price is less in the long run using a true synthetic as I have done Post some oil results with 3 or 5K on gas engines? At any time a synthetic will have better #'s since the way it was designed. A dino is not even close to it. No matter at 3K or 10K.

I bet the TBN is almost zero and you Ph, Ca are below 600ppm. You are draining while I am doing some none-oil related., but if you like doing that......

Sure you never had them brake down since you are always working on oil changes so often. I am at the same place but have taken less time for oil changes, used oil, etc. Why do something in 8 steps if 4 is quicker and provides the same outcome with hindering anything?

Again this goes back to my, as you say, "Not an apples to apples comparison". It is the year 2004 not 1984.

It is like someone picking a college. Do you want some state run college or Yale...Again both colleges but you get what you pay for.