Any info on B3300?

[JOHNTHOMAS]

As a long time lurker who lives on 1/2 acre in Roswell, Ga. with a push mower and a lot of dreams, I have finally been pushed into registering. JohnThomas I have followed your many posts with interest and chuckles, but you have gone too far.....Taco Bell? My colon started rumbling just reading those words....and I love tacos..tongue tacos, tripe tacos, fish tacos...but please, please, JohnThomas...not Taco Bell...

You did see that I said "cheap" tacos didn't you? I've been making my own Tacos for almost 40 years, before they became popular. I started ordering Pace Piquante sauce:licking: 35 years ago by the cases (minimum six cases) from the factory before it could be bought at any local grocery store. I'm in Ky, not Texas. I called the company one time and asked where I could buy it without buying 6 cases and they said their distributor for Ky was "John Thomas". I've eaten Tacos all over the US and even Mexico and most of them are boiled hamburger with no "real" sauce:licking:. I have to doctor them but I stick to the Taco Bell endorsement for "cheap" tacos.:licking: I take the pills daily for acid reflux and I can eat almost anything so a 79 cent taco with 3 packs of hot sauce per Taco is fine for me, from time to time. I go to the Mexican Restuarants for the salsa and chips and Pico de Gallo and the Nacho Supremes (called different name at different restuarants). But a quick fix with enough hot sauce is Taco Bell.:licking:

 

[General Lee]

its a 4 cyl. The "vibation issue" is one of those things that seems to only really exist on the internet. I've never run into it. I don't think it will take a MMM... the 'SU' tractors are pure utility machines and they probably cut the mid PTO to save cost.

It DOES NOT only exist on the internet. Quit acting like a typical salesman. I have a B3200 and it DOES have a vibration issue.

 

[CurtisG]

It DOES NOT only exist on the internet. Quit acting like a typical salesman. I have a B3200 and it DOES have a vibration issue.

I agree....my new B3300SU with only 29 hours on it puts my feet to sleep with vibration when mowing at 2600 RPM on the tach. I am going back to the dealer and see if I can trade for something with 3 cylinders instead of 4. My old tractor (3 Cyl) had no vibration at all. That is my only complaint about the tractor.

Curt

 

[Giles]

I agree....my new B3300SU with only 29 hours on it puts my feet to sleep with vibration when mowing at 2600 RPM on the tach. I am going back to the dealer and see if I can trade for something with 3 cylinders instead of 4. My old tractor (3 Cyl) had no vibration at all. That is my only complaint about the tractor.

Curt

A four cylinder engine is not "balanced" Like a three, six, or eight cylinder. Therefore a counterbalance shaft of some sort is needed for it to be as smoothe as the other designs. All engines are internally and some are balanced externally as well---it's just that a four cylinder needs more elaborate balancing. Evidently Kubota did not incorprate additional balancing on this engine.
I am no authority--this is just my opinion:thumbsup:

 

[Monster5601]

A four cylinder engine is not "balanced" Like a three, six, or eight cylinder.

Could you elaborate on this, being a retired power train engineer (gas/diesel automotive), I may find this discussion interesting and informative. Thanks.

 

[Giles]

Could you elaborate on this, being a retired power train engineer (gas/diesel automotive), I may find this discussion interesting and informative. Thanks.

I am not an engineer and I welcome any disagreement
I am a retired Tool&Die Maker and mechanic. I have rebuilt hundreds of engines and it is my understanding, from experience, that additional balancing is needed on a four cylinder engine because of the "fireing sequence".
Modern four cylinder engines are relatively smoothe with traditional balancing measures, but larger four cylinder engines need more elaborate balancing .
In my experience, crankshaft throws are on all engines but they are larger on the fours. Engine sizes larger then about 2.5L, require a "counter rotating countershaft incorprated into their design. Most I have seen are gear or chain driven.
Most modern day engines will be supported by liquid filled motor supports to smoothe out vibration.
Most three cylinder engines will have more vibration at idle then other engines, and a four cylinder will vibrate more in the higher rpm range.
A straight six---to my knowledge-- is one of the smoothest engines made.
I may sound like I am rattling on but I really don't know how to explain my opinion.

 

[popps68]

yep i have a new b3300 hst w fel and i love it! i still have an older L2600 for sale at the house. But the specs say i have a full 33 horses but of course its down by 3 or 4 at the pto. and no it doesnt have a mid mount pto. But i got a great deal here in town.Dealer even delivered for free and demoed unit which was nice but he didnt have to do this. i must admit the automatic DOES take a lot to get used to! yes its a 4 cylinder just like my old L2600. have 7 hours on it and have had it 2 weeks i guess i just seem to prefer the 4 cylinder to the 3 cylinder, maybe it a personal preference i guess but anyways its a lot easier to balance a 4 as it is a 3 but as i said its my preference. hope this helps out!

 

[jim_wilson]

yep i have a new b3300 hst w fel and i love it! i still have an older L2600 for sale at the house. But the specs say i have a full 33 horses but of course its down by 3 or 4 at the pto. and no it doesnt have a mid mount pto. But i got a great deal here in town.Dealer even delivered for free and demoed unit which was nice but he didnt have to do this. i must admit the automatic DOES take a lot to get used to! yes its a 4 cylinder just like my old L2600. have 7 hours on it and have had it 2 weeks i guess i just seem to prefer the 4 cylinder to the 3 cylinder, maybe it a personal preference i guess but anyways its a lot easier to balance a 4 as it is a 3 but as i said its my preference. hope this helps out!

Do you notice any vibration coming from your tractor? I am coming down to the wire and trying to finalize my decision on what I want to buy - and the B3300SU is right at the top of the list. It's probably either that - or an L3800. It's been a while since anybody posted in this thread - until your post. So I'm wondering if the problem has been resolved in the tractors in the last couple of years.

 

[ddb123]

Do you notice any vibration coming from your tractor? I am coming down to the wire and trying to finalize my decision on what I want to buy - and the B3300SU is right at the top of the list. It's probably either that - or an L3800. It's been a while since anybody posted in this thread - until your post. So I'm wondering if the problem has been resolved in the tractors in the last couple of years.

Your best bet is to go sit on one and take it through the rpm range and see for yourself. I have done just that and while it wasn't as smooth as the Grand Ls, I thought the vibration was negligible and quite a bit smoother than my L4300. My guess is the vibration is comparable to the L3200/3800.

Another thing you might consider is the 3 pt. B3300 has quarter-inching valve and L3800 has position control. B3300 also has standard turnbuckle style side links, although I think you can purchase telescoping links for a few hundred dollars.

Personally I really like the B3300.

 

[tbearnla]

Well I will chime in here and say this I have a b3300su with FEL and BH77 hoe and I love my tractor I can say I use it **** near every day to move something or dig up something and it runs flawless every time. If you decide to go this route my friend you won't be disappointed. Good luck:thumbsup:

 

[jim_wilson]

Your best bet is to go sit on one and take it through the rpm range and see for yourself. I have done just that and while it wasn't as smooth as the Grand Ls, I thought the vibration was negligible and quite a bit smoother than my L4300. My guess is the vibration is comparable to the L3200/3800.

Another thing you might consider is the 3 pt. B3300 has quarter-inching valve and L3800 has position control. B3300 also has standard turnbuckle style side links, although I think you can purchase telescoping links for a few hundred dollars.

Personally I really like the B3300.

I went to the local Kubota dealer tonite after work and went back and forth between a B3300SU and an L3800.

I about 95% sure I've made up my mind - I'm going to get the B3300. The L3800 has increase capacity on the loader and the 3pt, but it's got some things that in my view are drawbacks compared to the B. If I stand behind the B3300 and the L3800 side by side (they had them actually sitting side by side out in the front of their lot) - I can see that the L is really not that much bigger than the B. But when I sit in the L vs when I sit in the B - the L does "feel" bigger. My property is pretty small - so to a point bigger is not going to be better. The more integrated backhoe on the B3300 is a plus to me - over the L. One of the things I also noticed was that I can only really get off and on the L from the right hand side - mostly because of the FEL joystick. On the B I can exit from either side - because the joystick is right next to the driver seat. I like the hydro pedal setup on the B better than the L too.

From what I remember the pricing being - I will be able to get the B3300SU for probably a couple of grand less than the L3800 - and I would put that $$ into getting a rock grapple mounted on the FEL and adding some accessories. So - I'm pretty sure my decision is: B3300SU - with backhoe.

 

[ddb123]

I went to the local Kubota dealer tonite after work and went back and forth between a B3300SU and an L3800.

I about 95% sure I've made up my mind - I'm going to get the B3300. The L3800 has increase capacity on the loader and the 3pt, but it's got some things that in my view are drawbacks compared to the B. If I stand behind the B3300 and the L3800 side by side (they had them actually sitting side by side out in the front of their lot) - I can see that the L is really not that much bigger than the B. But when I sit in the L vs when I sit in the B - the L does "feel" bigger. My property is pretty small - so to a point bigger is not going to be better. The more integrated backhoe on the B3300 is a plus to me - over the L. One of the things I also noticed was that I can only really get off and on the L from the right hand side - mostly because of the FEL joystick. On the B I can exit from either side - because the joystick is right next to the driver seat. I like the hydro pedal setup on the B better than the L too.

From what I remember the pricing being - I will be able to get the B3300SU for probably a couple of grand less than the L3800 - and I would put that $$ into getting a rock grapple mounted on the FEL and adding some accessories. So - I'm pretty sure my decision is: B3300SU - with backhoe.

I agree with you that bigger is not always better. I would still strongly encourage you to drive each tractor before you make your final decision, and use the controls too. I also like the HST pedal of the B3300 a lot better than on the L3800.

 

[honorbound]

I also have the B3200 and at higher revs there is a distinct vibration . Not as bad at around 2000 rpm. I went with the 3200 as the dealer only had the B3200 and the L3200 on his lot so I wasnt able to check out the 3300. The L was just too big for my yard. So far the B had worked out nicely and I only use the rear PTO for tilling so I can keep the revs down most of the time.

 

[jim_wilson]

I agree with you that bigger is not always better. I would still strongly encourage you to drive each tractor before you make your final decision, and use the controls too. I also like the HST pedal of the B3300 a lot better than on the L3800.

I just re-read my post - and saw a mistake, what I meant to say was: I can only get on and off the L from the left hand side. The FEL joystick is pretty much in the way on the right hand side. The ability to get on and off from both sides is actually on overlooked but somewhat important issue. I know on my BX I tend to get on and off from on the left from force of habit - but there's been times when I have had to get on from the right depending on the situation.

 

[FLH]

I have a 3300SU. No PTO in the middle. I think thats why the same engine is rated 1 HP more than the 3200. No vibration issue that I have observed. Great machine.