Anyone ever "delete" the dpf on a tractor?

[IndyJay]

For the Massey Ferguson 4700 Global series tractors, they use the same engine and drive train. Or at least that's what I understand. Mine is the 70 HP 4707 model, and it's the only one without DEF. The other three models, the 4708, 4709, 4710 have DEF. They are 80 HP, 90 HP, and 100 HP. I'm not sure how much you can add to the 100 HP model, but it's becoming more common to bump the 70 HP model up to something close to 100 HP. I'm also told that this is why the 4707 is their most popular tractor. You get a tractor without DEF that is easily to increase the HP to something significant for a small amount of money.

I'm new to having 70 HP in a tractor and I think it has plenty of power. I'm amazed at how much power it has. But I'm only pulling a 12 foot batwing with it. If I was haying, that might make me think about adding more power. Maybe by the time I get my pastures into shape, I'll think about doing my own hay. Massey sells a round baler designed for the 70 HP tractor, so it could go either way.

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I am still amazed at the difference going from my old MF1250 34hp/27pto to my DK4510 45hp/42pto. My 1250 with a 60" brush hog struggled in certain places to where I had to downshift. My DK breezes through the same areas at same or higher ground speed with an 84" cutter without even much of a note change. I mow the same area in less than half time using less than half the fuel.

The DK4510 is identical in every respect to the 50 and 55 HP models except in ECU tuning. While I wouldn't mind tuning it up some time in the future (after warranty expires), I so far have not really seen the need with current use. I will likely leave it alone unless there is a need down the road.

"If it ain't broke don't fix it".

 

[5030]

Massey sells a round baler designed for the 70 HP tractor, so it could go either way.

So does New Holland and even the new Kubota BV series (can be operated with under 70 pto). It all has to do with how the infeed is set up. NH uses a set od convex steel discs that keep the bale from rubbing the side sheets (where the frictional loss is and the power requirements come into play). So does Kubota (Kenverland) BV bailers. In fact they are standard equipment on them. Most round baler fires can be attributed to 2 things. either a locked bearing on one of the rolls or the friction created between the side sheets and the bale as it rotates and grows in the bale chamber. I believe Vermeer and JD also use them.

The last NH baler I owned (and traded in on the Kubota BV) was rated at a very conservative 40 horse PTO input. The issue arises when rolling a full bale and the weight of the bailer and bale exceeds the weight of the tractor. Not an issue on flat ground but can be a BIG issue on hilly ground. Round bailers are heavy to begin with. They have to be built stout to contain the bales as they are rolled.

The last thing you want is the bailer driving the tractor. That can be a huge pucker factor.

 

[Gator6x4]

Today I took my Ram 3500 to an old friend who has owned a diesel mechanic shop for many years. We started talking about the issues I've had recently with my Kubota L6060. You can see more on that here. Water in fuel causes $10,000 damage to my Kubota Grand L6060

As we were talking he said "You know I can 'delete' that tractor for you. This guy owns a well-known and highly respected shop, and works mainly on large trucks, and lots of them

I'm wondering if anyone else has attempted to "delete" a tractor, and what were the results.

If you even thought about doing something like that an open forum on the Internet is the last place in the world to discuss such activity.

 

[Paystar]

What do you think we’ve been talking about?

I thought we were talking about a homeowners compact tractor that stays in his own yard. But as usual everyone went off about pickups and commercial on road trucks.

I'd also like to know specifically if that tractor can be deleted as per what the OP asked. That would be the only way I'd ever buy a new over 26 h.p. tractor. I have ZERO interest in regens. Been there, done that, never doing again.

 

[Torvy]

Can something be done? Or, can something be done legally? Therein lies the rub. Here in the U.S., there is probably a slim chance that you would be caught modifying your own tractor. Far be it from me to advise doing anything I know to be illegal. Don't want the EPA hunting me down. Not sure about modern Canada. Seems like your PM is not exactly comfortable with personal liberty, but that discussion will need to take place elsewhere.

 

[ruffdog]

Another big penalty dished out:

Diesel Exhaust Tuner Flo-Pro Fined $1.6M for Selling Defeat Devices

 

[North to Alaska]

Just get a Branson. No computer to deal with. When my DPF finally gives me problems I can just take it off and put a muffler on it and the tractor will probably love me for it.

 

[5030]

Eventually, even your gas powered lawnmower will have to be T compliant once the EPA rolls in the T5 mandate. All manufactures will have to be in compliance or they will be unable to sell their products anywhere except maybe Russia and China. I don't believe that your chance of getting pinched because you fiddled with your tractor will ever be an issue but when you initially purchase it, it will have a compliant engine.

 

[5030]

Seems like your PM is not exactly comfortable with personal liberty, but that discussion will need to take place elsewhere.

Neither is our sitting president but like you state, not a discussion to have here. More like a discussion to have on 'Top News Talk. There, you can discuss and dissect it all you want to.

 

[KS Homesteading]

Where do you get DPF deletion programming services in the US?