Anyone Shying Away from the Complexity of New Equipment

   / Anyone Shying Away from the Complexity of New Equipment #31  
When I was in my 20's I spent one weekend a month maintaining my wife's and my cars/trucks. Changing plugs on my small block Chevy was a day job with skinned knuckles and if I didn't change them every 6,000 - 8,000 miles, my field economy dropped from 14 to 11 mpg. Wife always calling me to come rescue her, and we never got more than 60,000 miles from a car before the number of breakdowns just got too much. Now of 3 vehicles the low mileage one is 60,000 miles, the plugs have never been changed in any, and my F-150 gets better fuel economy than my 71 Nova even though it weighs twice as much and now has 3 times as many miles as the Nova had when it got traded off.

But this is a tractor forum. When I returned to this little corner of the farm on which I was raised my dad included the Farmall H on which I learned to drive and repair. First thing I did was get a new CUT, hooked it to the H, and towed it to my sister's father in law who wanted something to tinker with. The H went with no regrets. I had zero problems with the L3710 in the 8 years I owned it before retiring and then trading it for a L5740 with its computerized transmission that puts the L3720 to shame. My cousin and I now farm around 2,000 acres in our old age that it took 6 of us to farm back in 68 when I left. Every tractor except the L5740 is power shift. We till more ground in a day than we did in a week. Unlike our old Farmalls we aren't rebuilding transmissions every year, rebuilding Carburetors, changing points and condensers (after we first switched the magnetos to battery ignition). We have power steering, cabs with air conditioning, and when I get stuck which I rarely do now but did daily back then, I can get out my cell phone and call for help.

As for my last job at Cat I had. Fleet of 30 test machines. Every morning I could check on location, how many hours each machine ran the day before, and check to see if the computers had detected any errors like overheating. When a customer would complain about engine power one thing I could do was flash in a new engine rating.

Do I have any concerns? Yes, because John Deere, Kubota and Deere don't seem to have the same capabilities that I was used to at a Cat. The dealer techs don't appear to have the same training. I complain that our new Kubota power shift is much harsher than our Deeres and New Holland. A dealer here on this site said that can be tuned by tweaking the computer. I told that to my dealer who has checked with the local Kubota service rep who doesn't know anything about it. But I do have power shift and can shift up 8 gears on the Kubota, 6 gears on the NH, and 4 on the Deeres without having to do anything but tap a button, and the Kubota will automatically shift down when it thinks I am working it too hard. Our Farmall M spit out transmission gears when it felt I was working it too hard. Our Case diesel spit a rod out of the block when it thought I was working it too hard. The International 806 we got just before I graduated from college was a huge jump up - TA - the ability to power shift down 18% was such a benefit, and it stepped up the reliability by a huge factor over the previous generations but still sucked compared to our current lineup which includes 2 Tier 4 interims.
 
   / Anyone Shying Away from the Complexity of New Equipment #32  
Until you get into really high-end ones, a lot of the new residential fridges don't get a whole lot more than 5 years out of a compressor. Reduced hp, and cost, and upped the rpm.... something has to give.....
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Uh oh. You mean if I ever have to replace my refrigerator (currently 26 years old), the next one won't last that long?
 
   / Anyone Shying Away from the Complexity of New Equipment #33  
Uh oh. You mean if I ever have to replace my refrigerator (currently 26 years old), the next one won't last that long?

Our last top of the line maytag fridge lasted 8 yrs and had numerous service calls in that 8 yrs. We now have 2 yrs on a $2500 Korean made machine with no problems so far? With lowered expectations, I am hoping for 8 yrs service from it or something close anyway? I am beginning to figure out that no matter how much a piece of equipment costs or what brand it carries does not always equal long life. Ken Sweet
 
   / Anyone Shying Away from the Complexity of New Equipment #34  
I hear you. Now this is my 58 year old B -61X. Ok so it has a 79 Maxidyne for power, but that motor isn't a lot different than the original motor-just a few different things that let you make power in the low end. In any case, I wonder just what it would cost to keep a new "state of art" heavy truck running for the next 58 years?

By the way-no "antique" plates on this ol girl-commercial tags and it still goes out every now and then to pull a load.

But guess what guys-I guess the best we can do is keep the mice out of our barns so they don't chew a wire and bring all the technology to a crashing halt!:laughing:

Nice truck! A little larger than what I could use but still a nice unit.
 
   / Anyone Shying Away from the Complexity of New Equipment #35  
I was thinking about this the other day... my Grandmothers 1950's Norge fridge and Frigidaire freezer are still going strong.

Mom has her 1968 Amana Freezer and Kenmore Dryer without problems... only a belt for the Dryer.

My old Wedgewood circa 1940 is like new.

One thing all of the above have in common is made in USA.
I have found through the years that if anything, it does make a difference as to who made it. Some companies have an higher quality requirement then others of what they build and are very proud of the quality level they have in the equipment they build and how they represent it. It doesn't mean that there are not exceptions or they make no mistakes it just means when they do, they do something about it. When taking Auto tech in school, I learned that some cars were built for ten years and 100,000 miles and some were built for ten years and 250,000 miles. Didn't meant that the right person might not drive a 100,000 mile car for 250,000 miles in ten years! It also doesn't mean that the right person couldn't run a 250,000 mile car into the ground at 75,000 miles. The ten years part, just look at cars in central NY, between salt and winters some cars were lucky to make it 5 years! Some cars here need brake and fuel lines replaced in three years and how about the wiring!
Tractors in ag use are designed for 10,000 hours of life for the most part, that is four years in the south with multi crops where the most are sold by the numbers! Many have no issues getting there with out a visit from a dealer during that time. Some of these tractors will actually get to 20,000 hours of drivetrain life if not used strickly for tillage but they will have a need for repair of some sort. In this area we have some ag use tractors that only get 150 hours a year so then we get into a time thing with life of the electronics. The out of season of use storage makes a big difference with these systems as well as how they are built With the added time needed to wear out the drive train we find from time to time the nickel dime problems that are actually a real pain for everyone. We have seen electrical systems that seem to be perfect for years and yet we have seen some lucky to make it a couple of years.
I know that some feel that all machines are created equal, I feel that is an impossibility knowing they are made by man and we are all different and we all have different levels of acceptance.
The hard part for many here is that it is common knowledge to the manufacturer that the average non-commercial compact tractor users per year use is under 100 hours. With the different makes we have sold or get to work on we have seen a lot of differences in tractors and equipment from the materials used to build it to the tolerances used. Perfection doesn't come cheap!
 
   / Anyone Shying Away from the Complexity of New Equipment #36  
Uh oh. You mean if I ever have to replace my refrigerator (currently 26 years old), the next one won't last that long?

I have a Frigidaire, about the same age. I replaced the noisy freezer fan myself something like 8 years ago, and had a trusted local appliance repair guy in last year for erratic temperature. Turns out it was just the mechanical thermocouple thermostat - I gladly paid for that, along with choosing to pay a little extra for the OE part.

Some of my comments come from talking with the local appliance guy. His Dad started the company, and the son is now working there too. Between them, a lot of experience.

A lot of these downsized "efficient" compressors are problematic. I know of similar issues in air conditioning.... when you thin out and rifle coil tubing, yes, heat transfer rates may go up microscopically, but lifespan tends to decrease.

So... yeah.... if you have a chance, buy a reputable local appliance repair guy a coffee or lunch, and pick his brains - you should at least end up with the Best of a Bad Lot list.

If/when I need to look at something else myself, I'll check the current Sunfrost lineup. They started out building refrigeration for remote off-grid medical clinics, so their original approach to reliability was good. With a little luck, I may be able to make use of one of their 24vdc models by then.

But yes, the math isn't working out too well for many people, once the electricity saved is compared to the replacement rate on new fridges.

Rgds, D.
 
   / Anyone Shying Away from the Complexity of New Equipment #37  
I put a used refrigerator in my rental that is probably 35 years old now. Runs like a top. I did buy two new LG washers (yes, we have two in the house) about 4 years ago. They had a 10 year warranty on the direct drive motor. I figured anyone putting out a 10 year warranty must be confident. So far so good, no issues whatsoever.
 
   / Anyone Shying Away from the Complexity of New Equipment #38  
Man, this thread took a weird turn. So to continue this mayhem. I just bought all new Samsung Appliances. So far they have lasted 3 months. I'm impressed so far. Almost forgot, bought new GE Washer and dryer 3 months ago too, so far so good. Hopefully my new JD will be as trouble free.
 
   / Anyone Shying Away from the Complexity of New Equipment #39  
Man, this thread took a weird turn. So to continue this mayhem. I just bought all new Samsung Appliances. So far they have lasted 3 months. I'm impressed so far. Almost forgot, bought new GE Washer and dryer 3 months ago too, so far so good. Hopefully my new JD will be as trouble free.

You waited till last to mention the JD :smiley_aafz: Party foul!
 
   / Anyone Shying Away from the Complexity of New Equipment #40  
You waited till last to mention the JD :smiley_aafz: Party foul!

Funny Shizzat right there, have a great weekend everybody. New tractor will be here Monday. Yippee!!! Kinda like getting my first Harley.
 

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