ARRRRRRGH!!!!!!! Broke my tractor.... Engine Block went SNAP...

   / ARRRRRRGH!!!!!!! Broke my tractor.... Engine Block went SNAP... #71  
Your comment on a dried up talent pool is sure a sore spot with me. It is a shame that this country has lost some of the best talent in the world. Small manufactoring jobs are a thing of the past. Machinists will become obsolete shortly. This country in the near future if not already, will not be able to support itself. We now depend on other countries for everything. I think it is a shame.
 
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dqdave1 said:
Your comment on a dried up talent pool is sure a sore spot with me. It is a shame that this country has lost some of the best talent in the world. Small manufactoring jobs are a thing of the past. Machinists will become obsolete shortly. This country in the near future if not already, will not be able to support itself. We now depend on other countries for everything. I think it is a shame.
I am less and less confident that I will be dead before it reaches crisis porportions.
 
   / ARRRRRRGH!!!!!!! Broke my tractor.... Engine Block went SNAP... #73  
I'm with you on that one. Kids coming out of engineering school these days, IMHO, often lack just the simple hands-on experience needed to deal with practical situations. I once had a new kid tell me we needed 1250 ft-lb of torque to tighten a 1/2" bolt!

The journeymen craftsmen and "A" level machinists are few and far between. Every engineer thinks they can make a living in front of one of these idiot boxes, but let me tell you, you don't do squat with them if you can't make a drawing someone can actually build something from.

But even that drawing isn't worth the paper it's printed on if no one's out there who can cut the metal, run the welder, and turn a wrench.

God help us.
 
   / ARRRRRRGH!!!!!!! Broke my tractor.... Engine Block went SNAP... #74  
Do you all think that the lack of "hands on" experience has as much to do with the fact that children and teenagers today are totally consumed with organized and supervised activities. Alone time is the only time I have ever learned anything.

A fella(20 yr old) that is helping me remodel my house has never changed(nor would contemplate changing) a waterpump or brakes. He had never seen a welder, nor built(using his own figuring) anything. He is very smart, conscienscous, and capable, but had no experience(except as a carpenters help). He will be all right, and is a tremendous asset, but it will be a bit difficult for him when he starts working(he is a construction science guy).

He paid 600$ to have his water pump changed!

Chris
 
   / ARRRRRRGH!!!!!!! Broke my tractor.... Engine Block went SNAP... #75  
If there are fewer of them, the ones that remain will demand a higher wage. Paying someone else $600 to change a water pump kept the mechanic who did the work employed. Where's the problem?

BTW, it's not just in the mechanical trades. Many of the people who started their IT career supporting mainframes are reaching retirement age and there are very few new people being trained to do this. Everyone wants to learn PCs, servers, client server, etc. Some companies will be proactive, others reactive.
 
   / ARRRRRRGH!!!!!!! Broke my tractor.... Engine Block went SNAP... #76  
One benefit of the US dollar being so weak is domestic labor will start to get affordable again. I run the US operations of an international high-tech services company, and I'll tell you - it sure is nice to have the dollar as weak as it is. A LOT more work comes our way now. I'm seeing the trend toward sending all the work offshore to be slowing down, and we're keeping more US jobs where they are supposed to be - in the US!!!
 
   / ARRRRRRGH!!!!!!! Broke my tractor.... Engine Block went SNAP... #77  
dynasim said:
Do you all think that the lack of "hands on" experience has as much to do with the fact that children and teenagers today are totally consumed with organized and supervised activities. Alone time is the only time I have ever learned anything.

<snip>

He paid 600$ to have his water pump changed!

Chris

<curmudgeon mode>
When I was a kid, both wood and metal shop was REQUIRED for all male students, as was enough "mechanical drawing" to allow you to at least know which side of the blueprint to face up. I built model kits, built flying rocket kits (and designed my own), laid out HO slot car tracks with my 150' of pin-and-joiner track. And yes, time by myself figuring things out was invaluable. I tease my wife that I build a better fire than her because I played with fire when I was a kid! :eek: And in point of fact, I did, my mother has no idea how lucky we were, although usually I played outside in the clear.

And we played games without being organized - we picked up teams and supervised ourselves and worked out the conflicts ourselves. It really wasn't uphill both ways to school, but at least we weren't anesthesied by media, and this horrid nihilism I see so much of these days in the younger types. I see so many act as though there is no hope and nothing really matter. It's a shame.

As to the poor fellow that paid $600 to have his water pump changed, and to our friend here who wrote it up to market forces, I'm not so sure that's the case. Most mechanics I know aren't making anywhere near the wage that would justify that price. So it may be market forces driving these, but it sure isn't the poor slob turning the wrench who gets it. I'm more inclined to think it's high overhead and tax/regulation compliance burden. But that's only an opinion.

As an example, I had an outfit quote me over $600 for rotors and pads on my car - that's all, no rebuilt calipers or anything like that. And I'm thinking, either I'm grossly underpaid or something is screwed up. Not to appear uppity, but I'm a consulting mechanical engineer with almost 20 years experience, a registered professional engineer, and they were going to charge me, at that time, over 6 hours of my charge rate (what my company charges for me, overhad and all).

Needless to say, I did it myself in far less than 6 hours. Without a lift. Using $240 in parts that were better than quoted.
</curmudgeon mode>

Poor Kris Hansen. His thread's been hijacked and his tractor's still busted. And I still wonder if it's related to the loading and that older cracked boss he showed us.
 
   / ARRRRRRGH!!!!!!! Broke my tractor.... Engine Block went SNAP... #78  
Kris, if you do decide to have your tractor repaired make sure you have everything written out with estimates and have the service manager sign and date it and then you sign and date it. This way you have a record of what is to be done and for how much. Also, have it wrote in there that they are not to do any other work without written approval signed by you.

Some of the guys here know about my problem regarding a new motor and I do not want the same to happen to you. I didn't have a paper trail as everything was verbal. Now it is my word against the service managers and the store manager is taking the service managers word over mine. Make yourself a nice paper trail and have copies of everything.

I wish you the best but I hope you realize the dealer will not give you much for your tractor having a broken block. You are going to take a huge hit and it might be better for you to put the tractor on ebay. That Kubota that was split in half by a car sold for something like $5 or $6k. Your tractor on ebay should bring a decent amount also. Just don't let the dealer lowball you on it.

My dealer really upset me over something like this. I talked to them about a trade in hopes of getting a favorable price on a new tractor. They gave me an inflated price and would take my tractor they repaired in against the bill (which was $13k). I could go down the road and buy a red version for $2k less with better financing and I could have ordered the same NH from Neil Messick for a lot less then my local dealer. I do not know what I did to upset my local dealer but I will never walk out of that store again, only back out from now on as they put the screws to me every chance they could:(

I wish you the best on this deal and hopefully your dealer will step up to help you out but cover yourself as much as you can just in case. There are still great dealers out there and hopefully you have one. Good luck to you.

Robert
 
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#79  
Thanks Robert,

I don't intend to go away quietly unless *someone* on the other end, be it CNH or my dealer, steps up and offers some sort of assistance.

We'll see...
 
   / ARRRRRRGH!!!!!!! Broke my tractor.... Engine Block went SNAP... #80  
Kris; Does your dealer have a web page? This forum may be able to help.
 

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