Bad day,Lost an engine

[MESSMAKER]

Was mowing horse pasture that was a bit high but not overgrown since I mowed it in mid summer. I smelled oil so I got off to investigate. A 3 foot branch had speared my oil filter and bent the canister just enough to allow the oil to leak out. I was not really alarmed ,since did not appear to be a huge amount of oil and I recognized the limb from about 500 yards back. I put on a new filter and refilled with oil(1 gallon) which brought it almost up to the full mark, so that left it with about 2 quarts so I was not too concerned. Got it up and running only to have it start clattering, in about five min. I loaded it up and took it home to give it a closer look. Removed the oil filter and opened it only to find metal everywhere. possibly just rod bearings, but I doubt I am that lucky. What to do now?I am thinking new motor, but ouch. I am not a good enough mechanically to do an engine rebuild and don't have a garage either. I could replace the rod bearings and fill it with Lucas and get rid of it, but that is not really my style. What would you guys do?

 

[Industrial Toys]

Sorry for your grief. How many hours on the tractor?

That's why I don't understand why they don't have audible warning for critical functions.

 

[MESSMAKER]

It has 1450 hrs so it has been used some, but I was hoping for double that before I was in this spot.

 

[coralhead]

Rebuild the motor, That would be cheaper than a new crate motor.

 

[powerscol]

Any good engine re-builder can do the work. Maybe they and tweak a bit more power for you too. Find a re-builder familiar with Diesels. From what I know its not too bad of a job to pull it.

If you do decide to replace, the CT 235 engine should fit. Frame is the same on both, just more HP on the engine. Kioti engines should fit too. Equivalent series is the CK 25 and CK 35

 

[MESSMAKER]

What would be a good guess on rebuild and install? I am thinking a new engine will be 5 grand or close.

 

[dieselcrawler]

Sorry to hear of your motor issues.

I'm a big fan of the IH T3444e/7.3 powerstroke motor, one of the reasons is the hydraulically actuated injection system. If motor oil gets low enough to not oil the bearings, oil pressure is lost to the injection oil pump, and thus no injector activity, it can't run. Im surprised it's not a more common system, due to the safety factor built in...

 

[winston1]

Pan is easy to pull on these engines. Both my oil plugs had been stripped so had to replace mine. Rod brgs are the first to go with no oil pressure. I think I would pull the pan and just take a look at rod brgs. Crankshaft has to be pulled to check mains.

Pan is going to have to be pulled at some point and you might have a more definite idea about your damage.

 

[murphy1244]

I am very sorry to hear of your motor issues. That is one of a tractor owners worst nightmare. Good luck on your repair.

 

[rgr33]

That sucks Messmaker. I had the same thing happen to me a few years ago with a lawn tractor. I ended up putting a new motor in it. The only silver lining was that the replacement came with a warranty. It stinks when you take good care of a motor, and it meets an end like that. If it were mine, I would at least gather info on cost and feasibility of a rebuild before deciding.

 

[MESSMAKER]

That sucks Messmaker. I had the same thing happen to me a few years ago with a lawn tractor. I ended up putting a new motor in it. The only silver lining was that the replacement came with a warranty. It stinks when you take good care of a motor, and it meets an end like that. If it were mine, I would at least gather info on cost and feasibility of a rebuild before deciding.

I guess I will. I have A great Bobcat dealer who has always handled my larger repairs, but cheap is not part of the equation. I am not sure I can afford them. Have a great motor shop to do the machining but struggling to find someone to do the tear down. Good thing it is at the end of the season and I have several months before I will need it , so that lets me do some looking.

 

[AGRIMAN]

Most machine shops will disassembly and assembly the engine for you, but you will have to pull it and put it back in. If you are able to that work, it will save you some money.

I would also check the price on a long block assembly from your dealer. Depending on the damage done to yours (and warranty given) it might be a better deal.

 

[MESSMAKER]

Long block is $4700. I am figuring on 12-15 hundred for the swap so looks like six grand for new motor. I think I will be getting a rebuild.

 

[LD1]

Agree with an earlier poster, that said to pull the pan first just so you know what you are dealing with. And the extent of the damage.

 

[MoPops]

Messmaker, good luck with this. Hated to read about it. I'm always going over branches. Just way too many to get them all picked up. I drive one into my radiator,many was ticked off about the cost of replacing it. I guess I will count my blessings, and be more careful.
Hope you find someone to do the rebuild. At a fair price.

 

[Sawyer Rob]

Agree with an earlier poster, that said to pull the pan first just so you know what you are dealing with. And the extent of the damage.

This is what I would do too...

It sucks it happened, but it's also why I keep an eye on my oil pressure when I'm rotary cutting in brush too...

SR

 

[truckdiagnostics]

Bummer, What he said. By all means if you can drop the pan, throw a set of rod bearings at it and see what happens not hard to do. Not like you can make it worse and shouldn't cost that much.

 

[MESSMAKER]

Bummer, What he said. By all means if you can drop the pan, throw a set of rod bearings at it and see what happens not hard to do. Not like you can make it worse and shouldn't cost that much.

New bearing are $144. Not cheap by any means. They are sold by the by the individual bearing, not a pair. Why in the world would you use one single bearing? Is there a time when you would replace the cap bearing and not roll the other one out and replace it?

 

[tman1020]

Man that sucks sorry to hear it. I will definitely be keeping a closer eye on mine now. Worst case scenario though that tractor is probably well worth the cost of a new engine. Plus like someone else mentioned you could always consider it an opportunity to upgrade for more HP. Hopefully it will just be a easy fix and just be the bearings. Keep us posted

 

[winston1]

Kioti rod bearing seems considerably cheaper. E62-22312 - Metal, Crank Pin for Kioti Tractors | TractorJoe.com