Barn door location?

   / Barn door location? #21  
I think I want a 12' wide door instead of a 10' wide one

My two cents is I'd go for the 12' wide door for the reasons that you mentioned.

If I just put in one door, I can't decide if it should go in the middle or if I should put it off to the side.

I think a door should be put in the center to make the building look symetrical. As far as a window in the rear of the building do you have an issue with possibly someone breaking in? Is the window in a 'blind' spot where someone who might want to break in would have the advantage of not being seen? The cop in me starting to come out. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
 
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#22  
Everyone says the building will be too small and that I need more doors but to be honest I think it will be mostly empty concrete.

From my current perspective this will basically be a garage for my tractor and ATV's. I'll park my motorcycle and my riding lawnmower in there as well. That doesn't even take up 1/2 the space when I parked them all inside the outline.

I'm really wanting to know what kind of things I will need to be putting in there because right now I can't think of any. What am I going to put in the back that I need to get in there that will be too far from the access door?

I haven't decided if I will leave the rotary mower in there when not in use or not. I tend to leave the back blade on the tractor more than the mower.

Thanks for the input, I really am trying to take all this into consideration.
 
   / Barn door location? #23  
You're forgetting one important thing.

The older you get, the more stuff you get.

It might be big enough now, but just wait a year or two.

Ya gotta look past the end of your nose on this...
 
   / Barn door location? #24  
You asked for opinions, so don't take this as negative, just a brief text opinion. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

I do not like your 2nd drawing with the 2 side-by-side doors & the man-door in the corner. That would be a stale building. All you access is in one spot, and all the 'action' would be happening in the back end. You will be walking all over your junk to get to your other junk.

Put the one bigger door in the center of the endwall. Move your man-door down the wall a little, leave the corner for 'stuff' to pack in. Corners are where we put stuff. Corners are very valuable, you only get 4. Do not block up a corner (2 walls) with a door! Move that man-door down several feet.

If it were me, I would turn that man-door into at least a 6' wide openning (2 doors, or sliding, or roll up, etc.), and put it at least 1/2 way down the sidewall of your building. Then you would have the big door for access with your big items, and you would have the smaller door farther down the building for ATVs, lawn mower, and mostly - access to your shop area!

How do you get long lumber, welders, torches, big power tools, long pipes, engine blocks, or whatever tools/ parts you plan to work on back to your work area? You have no access to that back dead corner. You won't be happy stumbling over your tractor, mower, and 'things in the corner' on your way back there. Have to start your tractor & back it & a trailer out just to wheel a torch or aircompressor out & over to the house? Yuk. Need to string compresser hose or welder cords all the way out the front door from the back to work on something outside? Yuk.

Split the doors up. Give yourself some access. Do not bundle all the doors in one location like that. Three doors in one location, and no doors in the rest - naw.

And, leave yourself the most valuable part of the shed - the 4 corners. Don't put a door tight in a corner.

Again, just some opinion, not that I know anything better than anyone else. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

But that 3-door design would only be worth 1/2 what it costs to me. Too crowded with all the doors on one end, and that big dead, inaccessable back end. Ick.

I would prefer a big door on each end, but that doesn't work for you, so a big door centered on one end, and a 6' or so openning in the middle (2 man-doors that meet in the middle so you can use one for a man-door or both for bigger items) of a side wall would be very workable for me.

--->Paul
 
   / Barn door location? #25  
Your building is similar to what I am planning 30x40x12. I was planning on two 10x10 rollup doors on gable end (away from street and prevailing winds) and a side entry door, maybe 1 window on the side. I also will put shop equipment in the back. No windows on back side away from view. I have thought of the hot summer days, and am considering a back side rollup door, but not for drive thru reasons, my tractor has reverse. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I'll be putting in insulated steel rollup doors, so spending another $1k for this is hard to justify, when I could use a fan to move air. I firmly believe in rollup, as good ones are weather tight. I like the suggestion of the 2' loading dock. Like I told one of the buildingers, so many options, so little money.....
Good luck, TBN is great for sharing ideas.
 
   / Barn door location? #26  
<font color="blue">"I'm really wanting to know what kind of things I will need to be putting in there because right now I can't think of any" </font>


You will be surprised!

The location of the door depends on if you just are building a storage room, or if it is to be combined with a workshop.
 

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   / Barn door location? #27  
I have a 30X36X10 barn and I have two doors on the gable end, a 16X8 roll-up and a walk-through. I can drive two vehicles in side by side and have room on the sides for storage and my work bench. I also have two windows on one side. You need a walk-through door as I am assuming that you will not want to open the roll-up every time you go in the barn to get a shovel or rake, etc. I also have a boat that I park in the barn. If I could do it over again the only thing I would change is the height. I would make it 14' high instead of 10' so that I could double deck part of it for more storage. Also, if it was higher, I would be able to put in a two post lift to work on the cars a little easier. The one big door in the center of the gable end allows access to anything in the barn and still leaves the corners available for storage. Good luck with whatever you decide.
 

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   / Barn door location? #29  
You sure are getting allot of conflicting advice here. Some are even saying two different things in a single post!!! It's got me confused as to what they're thinking and I'm starting to think it's just about what they did, and not what's best for you.

The one thing we all agree on is to avoid the skylight panals. I made that mistake once and wont' again. They do provide allot of light, but it's just as easy to flick on a light switch.

The panals that I bought, and later, the ones I looked at all had very short warrantees. That alone tells you that it's somethign to avoid.

I stongly advise you to put a man door in. Make it a standard 36 inch exterior door. It only takes a minimum of wall space and if you put it in a corner, you wont wast any space. The advantages to this are huge.

It gives you quick and easy access when you don't want to open the big door. Imagine needing a tool when it's raining out and you just want to get inside real quick. What if you just have a box of oil or something that you want to put away? I use my man door 3 to 4 times a day without opening my roll up door.

The final reason to put on in is to be sure you can get inside your barn if your large door breaks or gets stuck. It's just silly to limit yourself to only having one way to enter your building.

Types of doors. The only two I would consider are roll up and slide up. Both have their advantages. I like the roll up because it's simple to use, seals out the elements and doesn't take up any ceiling space. Garage type slide up doors are cheaper. Easier to install by yourself and look nicer.

They both can have electric openers, but the garage type will be cheaper for a standard height door. If you go for a taller version of a garage slider, you will have to special order it all and the price goes way up. When I looked into it for my first barn, it was almost twice what a roll up one costs.

Insulation isn't a concern for me. If it is for you, than a garage slide up door is gonna be better.

The fact that somebody actually is recomending a slider door is amazing to me. Everyone has their preferences, but this is the first time I've heard of anybody who likes them. They are cheap, but otherwise there's no advantage to them and allot of negatives.

I don't like windows either. Not just for security reasons, but it doesn't matter where you put them, they are always in the way of something else going there. No way would I put one in. If you want ventalation, open your big door.

I like the big door at the end. Having another on the side has allot of advantages and I think I'd do that if I was you. One in the middle of the gable end, and the other on the side in the back of the building. You would have allot of versatility and good storage.

Putting doors on either end might be nice for a comercial opertion, but it wont add anything to your situation. To drive through a shop means that you have to have the entire length of the shop free of storing anything so you can drive right through it. That sure is a huge waste of space. It also forces you to put everything on the sides to keep this passage clear.

The wider garage door can sure make access allot easier for your four wheelers. If you go with the garage style door, you might as well put a standard 16 foot door in. Of course, height is the killer there. You want the door tall enough for your tractor to come and go without having to lowere your ROPS. 8 feet is tall enough, but close. Ten foot would be better.

As to roll up doors not working if dented. That's not true in all doors. I dented my first one pretty bad. It looked bad, but worked fine. Mine doesn't leak either, but I can't speak for other brands.

My door is from Muellers. You can go to their website and price out doors real easy. www.muellerinc.com

It's a great website with prices that is good for comparing to other brands.

Good luck, your being very smart asking lots of questions. Just be careful to not listen to hard to everyones advice. We all want to help, but we also have totally different backgrounds and histories.

Eddie
 
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#30  
Thanks very much for the well thought out and detailed response.

I have about decided on a single 16' wide x 10' tall garage type door centered in the front. This will give me plenty of room to leave the tractor pulled in and still get around it even with a pickup load of stuff or a trailer if I need to back something big into the barn.

Here's the latest sketch. This one is pretty much to scale with the things I own now that I want to put in the barn to scale also.

barn_sketch3.JPG
 
   / Barn door location? #31  
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I stongly advise you to put a man door in. Make it a standard 36 inch exterior door. It only takes a minimum of wall space and if you put it in a corner, you wont wast any space. The advantages to this are huge.
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Always enjoy your messages Eddie, you have a lot of experience & knowledge.

Sliding doors have a lot of problems, but in a southern climate I would think those would be less so. I'd rather have a sliding door than none at all for access to the shop area, tho a double-door (2 man-size doors facing each other) would be better, gives you a walk in, plus bigger access if needed.

For a 22w by 16h door on machine sheds around here, it is difficult to afford any kind of roll up or bi-fold door. One has to live within the budget. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif So, a lot of sliders around. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif


Anyhow, curious on the man-door location. You like them in a corner? That 'wastes' the space the door is on, plus an equal space on the other wall where the door opens onto. Never liked wasting 2x the wall space. Corners are good places for shelving, storage, tuck a welder, etc.

Even if you have the door open outward (you don't here where the snow piles up if code allows....) you still need to leave room along the other wall to walk in, so the wall space is wasted either way.

Curious how you save any space by putting the man-door in a corner? Seems to be the worst place for one, wastes 2x the space.

--->Paul
 
   / Barn door location? #32  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( a double-door (2 man-size doors facing each other) would be better, gives you a walk in, plus bigger access if needed.

Anyhow, curious on the man-door location. You like them in a corner? That 'wastes' the space the door is on, plus an equal space on the other wall where the door opens onto. Never liked wasting 2x the wall space. Corners are good places for shelving, storage, tuck a welder, etc.

Curious how you save any space by putting the man-door in a corner? Seems to be the worst place for one, wastes 2x the space.
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Hi Paul,

I agree that sliding doors have there place. Airplane hangers are an exclellent example of how efficiant they can be. For small barns and workshops, I don't like them.

They don't seal very well. They need there full size in track to open all the way, which meas the entire wall is used for opening and supporting the door.

We have lots of bugs down here. LOTS!! Any and all openings are just invetations for them to come in and build their nests or hives. Mice are always a problem, not to mention snakes that enjoy eating mice. It's just allot harder to seal up an opening with a slideing door.

By double door, do you mean something like a french door? One main one you use, and the other that you can open when you need it, but mostly it stay closed?

I've never thought about it until now, so this is kind of off the cuff. I've worked on homes with them and they are always a huge source of air leaks. It's very hard to get them to seal. For a shop, that's not as big a deal. The advantage is that you have a larger opening. Since he has a large garage door already, there is no advantage to spending $500 for a double door when a Home Depot 36 inch door only costs $150.

I think we look at corner areas differently. I see a corner as a dead space. If you build shelves into a corner, than you have to leave part of the wall space open for acces. If you wrap your shelves around the corner, than you get an area of dead space. Just like in kitchens. Most homes now have lazy susans to access corners, but ther's still allot of kitchens out there with just dead air or even worse, it's storage for things you never remember you have.

I like putting a door in the corner so the swing of the door goes in and stops at the side wall. This way you loose very little of you usable space. I even like to put coat hooks behind the door to take advantage of that wall.

I would never put an exterior door opening outward. They are not designed to seal out the elements that way. Or at least normal exterior doors are not designed that way.

The only thing that jumps out at me in the latest design is I'd move that door over to a corner and add a sink in there some place. If no water is available right now, that's fine, but run some a drain for it anyway. A sink in the shop is very, very handy.

I'd also get rid of the windows. They don't do much for ventalation and take up lots of good shelving space. But that's just me. Natural light is important to some people, so I undersand wanting it too.

Eddie
 
   / Barn door location? #33  
I like it. I think it will work good for you. That floor plan will alow you to maximize your available space. You're smart to go with a 10' high door. A tractor with a tall ROPS may or may not clear an 8' roll up door since the door does not go up the entire 8'. Happy building.
 
   / Barn door location? #34  
I would like to see where the other houses on your property are. The man door should bee as close to the main building as possible, making a trip from one house to another short and stright. Having to walk halfway around the building each time you need something is boring.
In my new workshop I put in folding doors, very satisfied with them, cost a lot, but once in a lifetime...
http://www.we-ma.no/We-Ma-05/526-filer/image002.jpg
A house without windows looks "blind" to me, and some daylight is practical, and where will you put all sorts of small things if not in the window sill?
 
   / Barn door location? #35  
1948berg,

Those are intersting looking doors. I've never seen or heard of them before. Are they common in Norway? I assume that becase of your weather conditions, these are insulated and air tight??? If so, I'm curious how they achieve that at the bottom in particular.

Eddie
 
   / Barn door location? #36  
The doors are insulated and air tight, this is achived by double rubber seals and a smart lifting device(see pic) When you start to open the door, that little bolt follows the door, meet the ball bearing and lifts the door 3/4 inch so the rubber is lifted from the floor, making it easy to sving the door. There is a little guide on the floor where the doors meet(see pic) and a long divice on top that automatically makes the doors fold (pic). The doors can be made for swinging inwards or outwards when you order them. I just put a mangetic lock on the man door, I will add one more so I can have the door "locked" when it is open.

http://www.eurofoto.no/show_image.php?bid=39848221
The pics are there, but I have no young people in the house at the moment, so I dont know if it works.
 
   / Barn door location? #37  
your plan looks very similar to what I built last year but I don`t have this feared dead space at back , I`d not want to loose wall space and corners as one poster mentioned. mine is 30 x 60. Depending on where house is might find man door better on end but I also wanted all doors on gable end for snow and rain reasons as well as facing road and toward house for security. I put my man door in center with a 10 wide by 9 high door in one side of front gable end. I use building for contracting business as well as tractor & equipment storage . Put bench shelving in corner & down that wall behind your 4 wheelers and mower , great for tinkering , maintenance on them . As long as I park truck back in building 6 or 7 feet , have lots of room to get tractor & tools out . Reason I put man door in center with overhead on one side , down road if expand to 2 vehicle operation , I can add another door on other side. Actually in winter I parked back a little farther and wife could diagonally slip in other side and either of us could get out first . /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
 
   / Barn door location? #38  
Here's our 24x28 garage. Attic trusses for storage above. If we can get it up there, and don't need it right away, that's where it goes.
Probably doesn't matter in Texas, but this is why we put the doors in the gable ends.
http://images.kodakgallery.com/photos1815/1/77/78/58/32/2/232587877106_0_ALB.jpg

I don't consider the space wasted behind the mandoor, 110A service, fire extingusher and tool storage behind the door.

http://images.kodakgallery.com/photos1815/1/77/78/59/85/9/985597877106_0_ALB.jpg

Workbench location is similar to your plan (opposite hand), we like it.

http://images.kodakgallery.com/photos1815/1/77/78/58/52/4/452587877106_0_ALB.jpg
 
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#39  
Thanks,

I tried to look at the pictures but it says access denied.
 
   / Barn door location? #40  
Sorry. Maybe someone can help me. When I tried to post pictures, I got a message they were too large. So I pasted in a link to Kodak photo gallery. When I click on the links I posted above, the pictures come up. Maybe I have to give access to the photos at Kodak website?

What's the best way to post pics?
 

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