I agree with Eddie, if this is even the worst that you have, I would leave it as is. We looked at a place last year with an old barn. If it had been in this condition I would live somewhere else right now. Salvaging this place was the right move, and having it like this to start with is super.
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gmsssi
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Good work on everything!
DannyD,
I wish it looked like this when I started, I spent about a month digging the boulders out from under it and propping it up on piers and blocks. I have replaced a half dozen base beams with RR ties and removed others altogether. Attached is a picture of that wall from the outside before I started this project. Notice the base beam hanging down to the left under the sheet of 4x 8 plywood. Also you can see the height differential from the left corner beam and the right one. If you look at the west wall (camera is shooting south wall) in this picture you can see how the base of the wall follows the contour of the top of the hill. Also if you look at the trees on the right you can see where they were pushing against the roof line forcing the building west. Alot of sweat went into making that wall straight. Thanks for following I hope it is interesting for everyone.
gmsssi,
Thanks somedays I work all day and stop and look around and it does'nt look like I did a thing. your comments help alot...
I wish it looked like this when I started, I spent about a month digging the boulders out from under it and propping it up on piers and blocks. I have replaced a half dozen base beams with RR ties and removed others altogether. Attached is a picture of that wall from the outside before I started this project. Notice the base beam hanging down to the left under the sheet of 4x 8 plywood. Also you can see the height differential from the left corner beam and the right one. If you look at the west wall (camera is shooting south wall) in this picture you can see how the base of the wall follows the contour of the top of the hill. Also if you look at the trees on the right you can see where they were pushing against the roof line forcing the building west. Alot of sweat went into making that wall straight. Thanks for following I hope it is interesting for everyone.
gmsssi,
Thanks somedays I work all day and stop and look around and it does'nt look like I did a thing. your comments help alot...
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wroughtn_harv
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We love your barn! Keeping it was the right thing to do. I've been involved in a similar project for the last couple of weeks but it involved a pond that everyone had told the customer to remove and replace. We're restoring.
What I'd suggest for the footing support would be to do it a pier at a time.
If your soil is dirt as it appears and not real sandy or pure clay then a little can go along way.
What would be ideal would be to temporary support your beam with blocks so you could drill a pier hole under your vertical support. One of the smartest ideas I've found in the pier industry is the concept of drilling two pier holes with one haunch. Think of the letter A with the cross piece relocated to the top and being your haunch.
Using your three point auger means extra work, a lot of extra work, but it can be done. And based upon your work on this barn up to this point, something you can not only do, but do well.
I'd recommend you find two or three additional augers to convert to extra sections so you can get your holes down to at least ten feet deep.
First I'd drill the hole from the inside. I'd aim it down and towards the outside. When the first flight was down as far as it will go I'd disconnect and add the second flight. When it's down as far as it will go I'd add the third, etc. I use a concrete hoe to pull the dirt or tailings away.
When you're down all the way chances are your tractor won't be able to pull the augers. So you'll probably have to use your big forklift., (btw pallet forks are available at your scrap yards, I usually pay about a hundred or so per pair for the four footers).
Use a plug of some kind to block the hole to keep dirt from falling back in. Then repeat the process from the outside aiming inside. Block that hole. Then dig our a box that sits on top of the two holes. This is your haunch.
Put rebar in both holes and tie it all together with your haunch. Then pour in concrete. Let it cure for a week and then you can jack up your wall to your height you want. If you tied some anchor bolts to your rebar then you can also secure your horizontal beams to the haunch at this time.
The A shape discourages sag and lift. It's really quite ingenous.
Good luck and keep up the good work. And keep in mind that we all have ideas about how to do something. You're the lucky one that gets to pick an choose which ones or combination of those that work for you in your situation.
What I'd suggest for the footing support would be to do it a pier at a time.
If your soil is dirt as it appears and not real sandy or pure clay then a little can go along way.
What would be ideal would be to temporary support your beam with blocks so you could drill a pier hole under your vertical support. One of the smartest ideas I've found in the pier industry is the concept of drilling two pier holes with one haunch. Think of the letter A with the cross piece relocated to the top and being your haunch.
Using your three point auger means extra work, a lot of extra work, but it can be done. And based upon your work on this barn up to this point, something you can not only do, but do well.
I'd recommend you find two or three additional augers to convert to extra sections so you can get your holes down to at least ten feet deep.
First I'd drill the hole from the inside. I'd aim it down and towards the outside. When the first flight was down as far as it will go I'd disconnect and add the second flight. When it's down as far as it will go I'd add the third, etc. I use a concrete hoe to pull the dirt or tailings away.
When you're down all the way chances are your tractor won't be able to pull the augers. So you'll probably have to use your big forklift., (btw pallet forks are available at your scrap yards, I usually pay about a hundred or so per pair for the four footers).
Use a plug of some kind to block the hole to keep dirt from falling back in. Then repeat the process from the outside aiming inside. Block that hole. Then dig our a box that sits on top of the two holes. This is your haunch.
Put rebar in both holes and tie it all together with your haunch. Then pour in concrete. Let it cure for a week and then you can jack up your wall to your height you want. If you tied some anchor bolts to your rebar then you can also secure your horizontal beams to the haunch at this time.
The A shape discourages sag and lift. It's really quite ingenous.
Good luck and keep up the good work. And keep in mind that we all have ideas about how to do something. You're the lucky one that gets to pick an choose which ones or combination of those that work for you in your situation.
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Larry, great job so far! It's nice to see something old have new life breathed into it. The box blade work really cleans the place up.
What type of floor will you have in the new unit? I see that you are searching for better ways to support the walls. Since you have it proped up already I was curious if you could have someone jack it up some more and pour some curb walls to set the building back down on? They do this with houses and old basements all the time. Then you could finish off with clean slab on the inside, or spread your flooring of choice. Not sure how far you are going to take this project so just throwing some ideas out.
Keep up the good work!
What type of floor will you have in the new unit? I see that you are searching for better ways to support the walls. Since you have it proped up already I was curious if you could have someone jack it up some more and pour some curb walls to set the building back down on? They do this with houses and old basements all the time. Then you could finish off with clean slab on the inside, or spread your flooring of choice. Not sure how far you are going to take this project so just throwing some ideas out.
Keep up the good work!
Wroughtn harv, is this the famous Harvey Lacey /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif I was just reading your post about being recognized in the restaurant, its tough being famous /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
Thanks for taking the time to help out, I really appreciate it. Your haunch method sounds really interesting and I may incorporate a version of that. One of the limitations I have right now is that I don't have anywhere to do any fabrication, also I won't be able to use the welder I have as it is a 3 phase 300 Amp tig and I don't have 3PH here so fabricating the auger extensions would be sometime down the road. Same goes for my pallet fork attachment and quick attach , lot's of things to do and lots of things I want to do now. Thanks again I will be following your pond, somebody was pretty ambitious when they built it originally which is your cool project today /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Tim in IA,
Thanks Tim, the more I get done the more I like this thing. I don't know yet how I am going to finish the base or flooring, getting alot of good feedback and cool ideas. I still have alot to do in other areas so I am letting the base and floor percolate /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif Take care....
Thanks for taking the time to help out, I really appreciate it. Your haunch method sounds really interesting and I may incorporate a version of that. One of the limitations I have right now is that I don't have anywhere to do any fabrication, also I won't be able to use the welder I have as it is a 3 phase 300 Amp tig and I don't have 3PH here so fabricating the auger extensions would be sometime down the road. Same goes for my pallet fork attachment and quick attach , lot's of things to do and lots of things I want to do now. Thanks again I will be following your pond, somebody was pretty ambitious when they built it originally which is your cool project today /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Tim in IA,
Thanks Tim, the more I get done the more I like this thing. I don't know yet how I am going to finish the base or flooring, getting alot of good feedback and cool ideas. I still have alot to do in other areas so I am letting the base and floor percolate /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif Take care....
