Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

[buckeyefarmer]

His companies are making worthwhile products and services...SpaceX is extraordinary...they are making yesterdays science fiction today's reality... ( have you seen the reusable twin boosters land upright simultaneously ? or the main rocket stage land upright on a ship??)...

At least his companies are in business making advancements....unlike some companies that the previous administration gave billions to and six moths later were bankrupt or just out of business...!

Yes, using govt money is all I’m saying. Other people could do the same thing if they had access to the money.

 

[buckeyefarmer]

I'd consider myself a genius if I could do that. Not much of an argument against calling him a genius.

Although I do get that you don't like him. What did he do to you?

Why are you putting words in my mouth that I didn’t say?

 

[Industrial Toys]

Would you rather they bailed out some more failing financial firms that pay their execs billions in bonuses? Or give it to some corrupt country?

 

[buckeyefarmer]

People thought bill gates and Steve Jobs were smart also. They just stole other people’s work and expanded upon it. Maybe the right word is risk takers.

 

[Industrial Toys]

All the "Risk Takers" use other peoples money. I once read that many of the wealthiest people had lost everything and then quickly got it back again. Look at Trump. Kind of shows how rigged the game is against the little guy who can't even make it the first time.

I think there should be laws that if somone or a corporation goes bankrupt, if they ever get their heads above water again, they have to pay past debt. Who am I kidding? that would never work. Too many ways to get around it.

 

[Oaktree]

Nissan needs credit for being the first successful old line car company with the most EV's on the roads of the world.

No offense, but do you have some sort of financial interest in them? You're coming across like a shill.
Don't know what kind of market share they have outside of North America, but they're kind of a bit player here in the U.S. Most of the reviews of the leaf I've read basically say "meh".

 

[Gale Hawkins]

No offense, but do you have some sort of financial interest in them? You're coming across like a shill.
Don't know what kind of market share they have outside of North America, but they're kind of a bit player here in the U.S. Most of the reviews of the leaf I've read basically say "meh".

Why would I take offense from a stranger?I have never been rewarded for taking offense from strangers or even close family? You know my statement is factual and shows integrity by giving credit where credit is due.

The only new car I ever owned was a 1973 Nissan B110/Datsun 1200 Couple for a total of $2150 when I was making $2 an hour. I never had free cash for autos and until the last one never paid over $5K to $7K for the cars and trucks I have owned. Nissan was part of my transportation solution for the past the past 45+ years. In 2021 we should see if their new EV will be a contender or not.

With the base Tesla Model 3 about the same price of as those offered from other companies which includes Nissan it is getting harder and harder to look at EV's other than from Tesla if one is looking for the best value and the fact they have may have a good 10 year software lead over the others. Today the USA market is not the hotbed of EV sales nationwide.

As the ICE's die off in the coming decades there will be two major factors who will be left standing. Those two factors will be range and software because otherwise EV's are basically the same.

When Tesla stops selling their vehicles to customers as Elon Musk has announced they plan to do most competitors will follow suit I expect if car ownership loses its luster when one will just show up at your will for a fee.

Those of us over 65 have few new needs for years to come so EV's are more of a So What to most. EV's are for the generations to follow when the baby-boomer generation leave our cash behind.

Look at home ownership and and what may be driving their design.

15 Home Trends Millennials are Loving | Family Handyman

Paradigm and Paradigm Shifting - What is it? Definition, Examples and More

"True paradigm shifts represent drastic, sometimes uncomfortable change. It is not surprising, therefore, that these events can be met with resistance as organisational leaders step outside their comfort zones (Pink, 2005)."

Threads about EV's show how uncomfortable some are about this paradigm shift from ICE/analog vehicles. Read the article on Minimalism being embraced by Millennials then look at the dash and interior of a Tesla. Do you see this paradigm shift in autos? It is not for us but those who will be buying the EV's in a few short years after we expire.

 

[cqaigy2]

Makes me wonder about some car manufactures such as Subaru and their boxer engine. One of their selling points is the boxer engine sits lower so easier to see out of and some would call a cool sounding exhaust. If they go with a another engine/motor combo, then the boxer is out of the picture.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Makes me wonder about some car manufactures such as Subaru and their boxer engine. One of their selling points is the boxer engine sits lower so easier to see out of and some would call a cool sounding exhaust. If they go with a another engine/motor combo, then the boxer is out of the picture.

I have a 2010 Subaru Forester base model that I drove to the airport yesterday that we got for $6K 2.5 years ago with 105K right after it had the scheduled 105K major tune-up that also included new head gaskets. Now we are at 143K. Like the 2016 Leaf EV it is a test bed for AWD since I have only had 2WH over the past 50 years of car ownership.

Subaru is at risk for two reasons as I see it as an owner. One the boxer is going away when the other ICE go away. Two is they have cut a deal with Toyota to share EV technology. While Toyota is a massive company that will be around for a while percentage wise they are losing ground to Tesla like BMW/MB/etc. Their bet on hydrogen fuel cells vs batteries is a negative factor for Toyota long term because of a lack of hydrogen refueling at most homes and up to 50% losses between manufacturing and getting it into a car's fuel cell.

Subaru EyeSight Demo: Adaptive Cruise Control and Lane Keep Assist Review - YouTube

Keep in mind this video covers 4 year old technology from Subaru.

I looked at Subaru the first time ever in 2017 because of their Eyesight features for automatic braking and lane keeping that I need and the same day found the 2010 on Craigslist and bought it to force myself to learn more about the brand on the cheap. As far as I know Subaru has the only non computer controlled full time AWD car made today. It will remain our ice, snow and flood go to vehicle and if I ever buy another ICE based vehicle I expect it will be a Subaru.

It is not just Subaru but all old line car manufacturers that are at risk going forward without any high demand EV's in their line up. Again we baby-boomers are getting out car market at too fast of rate to be on the minds of the car makers. The Lincoln Tow Car did not fail to stay on the market because it was a bad car that drank gas. Our 2000 TC that we sold for $600 to a person in need of a road car for medical treatments is still driving it today. Town Cars failed because that market literally died physically speaking and we baby-boomers are hitting our expiration date daily so we can never become a major factor in the minds of car companies.

I got the Leaf to introduce EV's to the kids plus we need a good commuting EV for another 4 years since the wife wants to go for max SS benefits.

Well I also got the Leaf to help force my old brain make the paradigm shift to EV's.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Tesla Model 3 Has Highest Profit Margin of Any Electric Vehicle - ExtremeTech

Since this article is 18 months old it is dated in a technical sense when it comes to build quality but I expect the cost edge is still valid or even improved. Getting to be a fan of Tesla has been hard because I did not know Elon Musk and how to take his demeanor. What he has pulled off so far in vehicles for earth and space travel demands my respect I now understand.