Best all around gun?

[RoyJackson]

On the flip side, the number of guns owned is far higher than the numbers suggest above. I'd guess there are twice the number of gun owners as licensed owners in our area. Also, many people only registered 1 of 20 of their guns, or none. Its a funny loophole, as soon as you register they can come inspect the storage. Unregistered they need a search warrant to enter your premises.

I read about many Canadians disregarding the Nation Firearms Registry as well as some of the provinces redusing to enforce the laws.
Good for them!!!

I got blasted earlier in this thread for commenting on the Canadian registry...well, I still say the leftwingers..."statists" might be a better term, are to blame.
Yep, we have 'em too...I kind of wish they'd all move to Europe. Probably fit in better there...

 

[buck12]

as much as I like a side by side.. I like the o/u better.. at least for clay's etc..

soundguy

I own several scatter guns. I bought a Benelli about six years ago and since I rarely use any of the other shot guns. It patterns well for turkey and will shoot cheap low brass shells for play.

 

[dmay]

so which class / license do yuo have to take to get a machine gun?

seems like lots of classes and license's just to go hunting.. but then.. I DO live in a free state / country that was pretty much founded on firearms ownership.. so I do understand whey there are national differences.

soundguy

In fact I bet our requirement for taking a class or two takes care of most people who have an impulse to get a gun, when they really should not. When you have to sign up, pay, attend a class, pass a test, fill out an application, wait for your license to be approved and arrive in the mail, before you can purchase a gun...those who simply had an impulse have already decided thats just too much work.

 

[wrooster]

those who simply had an impulse have already decided thats just too much work.

... in which case one could just buy a pistol on the street for ~US$100, no matter where in the world you are.

Criminals are criminals because of their innate behavior, and furthermore are not encumbered whatsoever by laws (governing firearms or other) that are applied to the citizenry as a whole.

Again, by example -- Mexico has super-restrictive gun laws. Alas, the murder rate there is sky-high. There must be some other factor here, no?

In first-world countries, it is a classic 1%/99% dilemma. The actions of the 1% dictate the severity of the laws applied to the other 99%. And sometimes the ratio is even worse. Problem: A small number of "terrorists" intent on building ANFO bombs? Solution: Limit fertilizer sales to everyone. A small number of "huffers" intent on killing their brain cells? Limit spray paint sales to everyone. A small number of meth-heads intent on "making product"? Limit the sale of OTC medications to everyone.

The problem, as we have seen the past and will see again in the future, is that there is an ever-decreasing marginal return with this approach. Governments continue to create laws and restrictions, trying to account for all of the possible "corner case" situations. But bad people can be just as smart as, and perhaps more creative than, good people. Until there is a "good egg/bad egg" scale, just like Willy Wonka had for use under his special geese, there is simply no way to legislate the protection the government believes we crave from malcontents and miscreants. Continuing to think up statistically improbable scenarios and then implementing additional restrictions to guard against them does not work out well for the other 99%. This is a basic societal self-governance paradox.

In the end, to create and then enforce laws aimed to completely prevent *anyone* from killing *anyone else* is impossible. People have been killing each other for thousands of years, and the keep in mind that the vast majority of that time was in the absence of firearms.

Wrooster

 

[Creemore]

What I think you guys would find interesting isn't so much the classes, which are just a few hours and kind of fun (we actually had a failure the day I took mine, an ex-army guy who wanted a security job at a nuke plant. Pointed a shotgun at the instructor. Doh...). It's the PAL application rigamarole I think you'd hate. It takes many weeks to process, involves a background check, has to be approved by the RCMP and your provincial firearms officer. Your spouse has to provide 'permission' for you to get your permit, and if you've been divorced for less than two years, your ex-spouse has to, as well.

After that, registering the guns is nothing. You do it at point of sale for a new one, and by phone for a pre-owned one. Transport laws are pretty simple and common sense, not unlike many states'. I don't have strong feelings one way or the other about the registry, to be honest. It's less hassle than getting a license plate sticker for a car/boat/snowmobile. It's just kind of a waste of tax money, is all, and I can't believe it's really that valuable to the cops over and above your PAL. It's the PAL where you really surrender a lot of information to The Man.

 

[Soundguy]

I own several scatter guns. I bought a Benelli about six years ago and since I rarely use any of the other shot guns. It patterns well for turkey and will shoot cheap low brass shells for play.

i don't even shoot lowbrass for skeet. too many probs with it ...

 

[Soundguy]

In fact I bet our requirement for taking a class or two takes care of most people who have an impulse to get a gun, when they really should not. When you have to sign up, pay, attend a class, pass a test, fill out an application, wait for your license to be approved and arrive in the mail, before you can purchase a gun...those who simply had an impulse have already decided thats just too much work.

what's wrong with an impuls 'want' of a legal product.

if I'm in the checkout and see an impulse want for some chewing gum.. it's not 'evil' because it's impulse.

on the other hand.. waiting that long time for the classes, mail.. application may mean the difference of you getting broke into in a week, or being able to defend yourself when that happens.

lots of angles to look at.

the tone of your messages witht eh 'impulse' and the other messages mention of 'need' predisposes a negativity towards gun ownership.

if that works for you.. cool.

don't work for me though. No canada for me...

soundguy

 

[Soundguy]

that 'pal' is akin to what we have to go thru to buy a machinegun, where permitted.. etc.

soudnguy

What I think you guys would find interesting isn't so much the classes, which are just a few hours and kind of fun (we actually had a failure the day I took mine, an ex-army guy who wanted a security job at a nuke plant. Pointed a shotgun at the instructor. Doh...). It's the PAL application rigamarole I think you'd hate. It takes many weeks to process, involves a background check, has to be approved by the RCMP and your provincial firearms officer. Your spouse has to provide 'permission' for you to get your permit, and if you've been divorced for less than two years, your ex-spouse has to, as well.

After that, registering the guns is nothing. You do it at point of sale for a new one, and by phone for a pre-owned one. Transport laws are pretty simple and common sense, not unlike many states'. I don't have strong feelings one way or the other about the registry, to be honest. It's less hassle than getting a license plate sticker for a car/boat/snowmobile. It's just kind of a waste of tax money, is all, and I can't believe it's really that valuable to the cops over and above your PAL. It's the PAL where you really surrender a lot of information to The Man.

 

[YesDeere]

i don't even shoot lowbrass for skeet. too many probs with it ...

Don't discount some of the late low brass. I used some really good Remington's this dove season. Loved the way it patterned too.

On a perfect gun note. I won a Winchester super X3 last Friday night at a DU banquet. Looks to be a really nice gun. Made in belgium. I don't really need it, I shoot my benelli sbe2 mostly with a rem 1187 as backup. Perfect though because it cost me a $20 ticket. Anybody have any experience with this gun? Might trade it for a 20 gauge for my nephew.

 

[buck12]

Don't discount some of the late low brass. I used some really good Remington's this dove season. Loved the way it patterned too.

On a perfect gun note. I won a Winchester super X3 last Friday night at a DU banquet. Looks to be a really nice gun. Made in belgium. I don't really need it, I shoot my benelli sbe2 mostly with a rem 1187 as backup. Perfect though because it cost me a $20 ticket. Anybody have any experience with this gun? Might trade it for a 20 gauge for my nephew.

No experience with super x but it's hard to beat a Benelli sbe 2.