Best Mountain Tractor?

   / Best Mountain Tractor? #61  
I just answered "what's best" /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif - the Aebi machine, although high-octane fuel for my unsatiated tractor lust - is way out of my league. I may be a doctor, but I'm cheap! (well, maybe frugal sounds better)
 
   / Best Mountain Tractor? #62  
Maybe start thinking in Radians.

Or Grads!
 
   / Best Mountain Tractor? #63  
Maybe with all the sideslope a pair of horses or mules would be best. Four foot drive, highly manuverable, pull most compact tractors backwards and would mow the grass unattended. When in the barn they also give the cat a warm sleeping spot and provide garden fertalizer. They will also turn around and nudge you when you stop currying them.

Egon
 
   / Best Mountain Tractor?
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#64  
Charlie,

I'm back to giving the PT more serious perusal, partly on the basis of the cost of all the attachments for PTO, partly on the admonitions from Carver and others that 35hp plus would be minimum for what I'm contemplating and primarily on the safety and versatility fronts.

( I am aware that if I go this route, I may be forced to change my signature gif to reflect a lower profile rig)

If you don't mind my asking 1) did you get the trailer package or go "ala carte", 2) did you look at the 30HP "landscaper series and if so, how come you ruled it out, 3) do you know how long PT has been around and if any used equip comes on the mkt.

Thx, Sabi
 
   / Best Mountain Tractor?
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#65  
RE: the four legged rigs recommended by Egon:

I hear they take a long time to dig post holes.
 
   / Best Mountain Tractor? #66  
Hi ya
one thing noone has come up with is why not a small dozer with 3 point linkage and pto ,ok i would not use it to mow ya lawn but for running a post hole digger ,slashing bush etc etc it would beat 99% of tractors hands down ..a good hill tractor is the SAME they have braking on all 4 wheels .
catch ya
JD Kid
 
   / Best Mountain Tractor?
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#67  
JD,

Byubill did recommend just such a rig and I've tried without luck to contact the guy. The question was raised, but not yet answered, as to their "rollover" rate...word has it they are almost as prone to flipping as a tractor, but has not been verified. This little rig looks pretty sweet http://mutualdevelopment.tripod.com/ Thanks for weighing in with an international perspective, especially from such an experienced viepoint, even tho you only have a small lot ;)
 
   / Best Mountain Tractor? #68  
Well, this is definitely the most entertaining thread I've never participated in. Until now, anyway. I used to put my .02 cents worth in on all these types of discussions, but 1) there's no reason to, with Charlie around /w3tcompact/icons/laugh.gif and 2) the mighty EF-500 is no place for a 45-degree slope. About the only thing my machine would do on a hill that steep (at least with me in it) is carve out a flat spot at the bottom of it big enough to play in. I've worked on two jobs with 20-degree hills on them, and don't know when I'll work on anything steeper - it's coming, I just don't know when - and I've come to the conclusion that the EarthForce machines are more stable than they look because of the smaller wheels, I expect, but unless you put that massive backhoe on the uphill side, they'll never be as stable as something without it. Physics is unfortunately known for some rather hard and fast laws that are immutable.

So, have fun on your mountain, but I'm not recommend an EarthForce machine to you, unless you want to remove it. /w3tcompact/icons/smile.gif
 
   / Best Mountain Tractor? #69  
Doug:
I made a couple of trips to Tazewell. The first, in Sep 2001, was primarily to look at the 1430, which I was most interested in. The second time, it was still number one on my list, but the 1845 had become possible because they had dropped the price for the base unit by $5,000. Ultimately, I got the 1845 because it is bigger and more powerful and I wanted it, even though it probably isn't as good for lawnmowing as the 30 hp unit.
The trailer package for the 1430 looked really good, but I already have a trailer, and I didn't need the multiple augers, etc. that are geared toward planting bushes. They were willing to swap the things on the trailer a bit, but I didn't pursue that option. (They now build their own trailers. They didn't like the quality of some they bought for resale. I looked at both, and the PT trailer was better, but the one I saw that they had gotten elsewhere was really good.)
My first a la carte selection was a 72" rough cut mower. It is very heavily built and I hope will last forever. That was the primary purpose for my purchase in the first place - pasture mowing, including some steep (to me) slopes. For your purposes, you probably will want a brush hog rather than the rough cut deck. The brush hog is less expensive, and built more for heavy growth than for my pasture grass, although it certainly will mow grass, as well.
I got a large bucket from Power Trac and then a 4n1 from WR Long. I got the 60"tiller, a boom pole, a snow blade with rubber edge. From Lackender Fabrication, I got a hoe, which is a dipper arm that uses the primary Power Trac arms as the boom. I posted some pictures a while back of the bucket and hoe, I think in a thread that MossRoad started on Power Trac mods. If you have trouble finding it, I'll track it down for you. So far, I have proven to myself that the bucket and hoe are capable, but that I don't yet know how to use them properly.
I am reasonably sure that the 1430 would have done everything I need, but the 1845 has more reserve power. Even with the 45 hp, I had to slow a bit last weekend towing an 8' wide chain harrow up fairly steep slopes. I was mowing with the 6' deck, as well, but there isn't much growth yet.
I don't know exactly when Power Trac started. It makes mining vehicles, using the hydraulic setup that was adapted to the current line. The story is that the boss didn't like the garden tractor he had gotten for work around his house, so he had his guys make him one. That machine was sold some years ago, but they got it back and I saw it at their factory.
I think the same guy is still the boss, and his daughter and son in law work there.
I haven't seen any used equipment advertized, but someone mentioned seeing a 425 on e-bay. Power Trac had a couple of used machines at the factory, and one 30 hp machine was for sale by one of the guys working there. He was only asking a couple of thousand dollars below new price, but might have come down if I had started to negotiate. The factory itself will not negotiate downward from the listed prices. They are quite willing, however, to talk about things that might not be on the price list for the one you want, but appear as an option for another machine. If it can be adapted, they are willing to consider it, and a few things may just not have made it to the price list. In addition, they are always working to develop things, and are willing often to talk about them, as well.
On my 1845, the dual bar tread tires were the same price as the turfs I got. Mine is very comfortable on hills, and I think with duals would be rock solid. It makes for a wide machine, however.
Because the hydraulic arms and quick attach are standard, you can get an 1845 with WR Long 4n1 bucket and Lackender hoe for under $20,000. That is fairly cheap, I think for a 45 hp rig with bucket and hoe. I am working to get the 4n1 control a little easier to handle, and the hoe may not be quite as capable as a full backhoe, but both will beat a shovel hands down.
Some of the PT implements may not look cheap compared to 3-point attachments, because the hydraulic motors do cost. All of the Power Trac implements looked to me to be extremely heavily built, however, so I think comparisons should be made to high-end competition.
If Power Trac were to disappear, I do not think I'd have any trouble maintaining the machine. The frame boxes are custom welded steel, but are mostly flat plate fabrications that any good welding shop could repair. (I wouldn't want to be there when someone managed to damage it to the extent it needed that.) The hydraulics: pumps, motors, controls, etc. are all off-the-shelf.
Until I got the Power Trac, I knew nothing of hydraulic equipment; I had small hst machines, and our gear tractors had hydraulic 3 points, loader and power beyond, for which we occasionally got some help from a dealer. I now am finding, however, that there is a whole industrial world out there, with a lot of people who work on hydraulic stuff all the time. Any skid steer mechanic can work on the Power Trac.
Sorry for the long post - hope it helps.
And yes, if you get a PT, you'll have to change the profile on your signature. MossRoad can even make it change implements on the screen.
 

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