Big first steps towards construction

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So Don, where does the high-dollar one-of-a-kind barbecue grill go? /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

Nice design! /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif I'm looking forward to seeing it under construction.
 
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A couple of answers to the fence question. My daughter and son-in-law live next door on 2-1/2 acres. The combined 7-1/2 acres is long and narrow -- 280' x 780' (mine); and 280' x 390' (theirs), for a combined 280' x 1170'. One long side and one short side are bordered by roads; the other sides by neighbors. One short side was not fenced; the long border to the neighbors was previously fenced.

Our first fencing was to install field fencing along the 3 sides (2 short, 1 long) where no fencing existed, or where the fencing on my daughter's property was in poor condtion. We hired a local contractor to clear the brush from the fence line, remove what old fence was in place, and install field fencing with wood posts. this was 1,730' of new fence plus the other labor. We paid a total of $2,800, which was ~$1/foot for the fence plus the clearing.

We watched him do it, and took note of the materials he used. The long side of my property bordering with my neighbor was fenced with 4 strand barbed wire. Our dogs could get through it without slowing down (tough, high-pain-threshhold dogs). We (my s-i-l and myself) installed the 780' of field fence down that property line ourselves. All of the material came from Tractor Supply. The field fence at that time was $78 for a 330' roll;it's $114 now. We bought 3 rolls. We spaced the 3" round wood posts about 12' apart, or about 60+ posts for $4+ and several 6" posts for $14+. Add staples, wire to tighten the corner structures and some simple fence tools (cutter, pliers), and our cost was about $.90 per foot, so we got a really, really good installed price. I think most fence companies around here charge about $3/foot; we caught this fellow with a crew between jobs that needed to be kept busy. We fabricated a gadget to clamp onto the end of the fence, attached it to the tractor and stretched the fence tight before stapling. Two of us were able to do the entire job. We used a rented, gas post hole digger, as I haven't bought one for my tractor, yet.

My s-i-l is having problems with his neighbor (long story) so he installed 390' of 6' high, wood stockade fence along his back fence line.

We used some of the leftover fencing to make a temporary boundary between our properties while my house is being constructed. His dogs are a little more protective and I'll keep them away from the laborers until the work is done, then we'll remove that fence.

Here's a picture of the corner structure we used.
 

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There will be a separate grilling deck off the back of the back porch, with direct access to the utility kitchen. The utility kitchen is one of the unique things I'm planning. Our main kitchen will be part of the great room. As I mentioned, it will have no cabinets. Instead, it will use furniture, much like a 40's framhouse kitchen or many British country kitchens. We have things like a drysink, oak china closet, breakfront, hutch, antique dough tray, etc. already. We have a 40's porcelain kitchen table and are looking for a nice hoosier cabinet to match. We're also looking for a nice pie safe or jelly cupboard, and we plan to have at least one wall lined with heavy, open shelves for crockery, my growing collection of wire top bottles, etc. The stove and fridge will be period; if I can afford them, I'll use the replicase such as from Elmira Stoveworks. The sink will be a farm sink with a drainboard and the gingham curtain underneath. I have a nice vent-a-hood to use, but it will be hidden behind some period woodwork. The microwave will be hidden. We plan to have a huge kitchen table, like an island, but on casters so we can move it around. That will be our primary work surface. I'd also like to find a nice butcher block and mount on casters.

There will be no place in that main kitchen for a diswasher, or for the typical storage of cookie sheets, spare pans, tupperware containers, old punch bowls and all the other stuff that gets collected in typical kitchen cabinets. Plus, the main fridge will be a little small. So, I decided that we need a utility kitchen. I sort of invented the idea from a combination of pantry, butler's pantry, and mud room. Ours will be 8' x 16' and separated from the great room by swinging cafe doors. It will be galley style. Along one side will be a very large cleanup and prep sink, a dishwasher with cutting board counter, a commercial fridge/freezer, and a section of conventional cabinets for the tupperware storage (and old margarine cups; I won' believe you if you say you don't save that kind of stuff). On the other side will be a pantry, a floor-to-ceiling shelf section for all the weird little appliances we collect and can never get at like tater twisters, deep fryers, electric skillets, blenders, juicers, pasta makers, etc., and finally the washer/dryer at the far end.

Food prep like chopping and stuffing will take place in here; after dinner, leftovers and dirty dishes will be shoved behind the swinging doors until later. Our primary food storage will be here. Basically, it will be like the restaurant kitchen you never see, with the exception that there is no stove in there. All the actuall cooking will be out in the open.

At the other end, a door outside will lead to the grilling deck. The same foor storage, food prep and cleanup will work for the outdoor kitchen, too. The outdoor kitchen will have a grill island, a bar island, and space for my smokers and charcoal grills. The bar island will have a bar sink and ice storage, with a stainless steel pull-out drawer holding a cooler for beer and soda.

Many of the appliances are already on hand, some stored in the shipping container I put on the property. We've been house "poor" for our entire lives, saving and planning and acquiring things for this life-long dream.
 
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Don,

You are one of the most innovative individuals I know. To say your kitchen set up is "out-of-the-box" (boy I hate that phrase) would be an understatement. Awesome ideas. Your vision is so well described I can easily form a mental picture of what your home will look like. However, I still want to know when the open house will be so I can see it in person. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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The funny part (my wife thinks it's the sad part) is that our kitchen ideas were innovative a couple of years ago; now we're starting to see them crop up all over. Most kitchens still have cabinets, of course, but even the cabinet manufacturers are starting to go for the "furniture" look because of people like us. We may be carrying it a bit further than most, but not if one looks at the design magazines (those Friday nights at Barnes & Noble come in handy).

Just this morning I saw a commercial on TV for some food product that featured a kitchen with no wall cabinets -- just shelves lined with crockery, etc. Makes my wife sad because when we finally do it, we'll have no way to prove we thought of it all ourselves...

Attached is a picture of a simple country kitchen, the sort that we used for inspiration.
 

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Well, maybe I am out of the loop with design trends. However, as we have been in the design stage for our home for about a year or so, I have looked at countless kitchen and bath magazines. I am aware of the "furniture look" of today's cabinets. But I can honestly say I have never seen the food prep / cleaning area separate from the cooking area as you have described. And while I have seen a number of the furniture elements you described in the kitchen, I don't recall seeing a kitchen that incorporated as many as yours at the expense of traditional cabinetry.

All I know is that I am intrigued with your plan and, cutting edge or not, I look forward to seeing the completed project.
 
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Oh, yeah, the separate utility kitchen. I like to take credit for a cutting edge, unique application. I like to, but the truth is, it was a simple chain of reasoning. Betsy says, "I don't really like cabinets. Can we use a hoosier cabinet, the dry sink, and some other furniture instead? I say, "Yeah, I really like that idea, but where will we put the dishwasher?" I happened to be looking at several plans with mud rooms and/or laundry rooms off the kitchen, and I thought, "You know, there may be room in there for the dishwasher." The idea of a cleanup sink came quickly after that when I was trying to wash a 14" skillet in our double basin sink -- doesn't fit. Once I had a counter with a dishwasher under and a sink next to it, the idea of using the counter for food prep was a no-brainer. I like to do Chinese cooking, which requires a LOT of chopping and prep ahead of time. I'll spend hours prepping all the little bowls of ingredients ahead, just like the TV chefs. I do the same for a lot of other styles of cooking.

With food prep, the idea of having a storage fridge/freezer next to it came naturally. Actually, I'm just reversing what we have done for years. We now have our "main" fridge in the kitchen and an older, "beer and soda" fridge out in the garage. That didn't make a whole lot of sense to me. Our new house will have the "beer, soda, snack and breakfast" fridge in the main kitchen, with all the "heavy duty" cold storage in the utility kitchen. This actually lets me use one of the original '40s fridges in the "country" kitchen, complete with the old U-shaped evaporator/freezer, if I can find one in really good shape. I see them all the time on EBay, just haven't worked out the shipping, yet.

What it really ended up was that the so-called "main" kitchen is really a show kitchen, maintaining the farmhouse theme without modern appliances jarring the appearance, and letting me "show off" my cooking skills. All the hard, dirty work and clean up will be hidden. Oh, by the way, I like to cook, something I didn't discover until I was in my 50's.

So, I'm no cutting edge innovator, I just solved a few problems. I do get a little giggle out of the fact that many folks are confused by my ideas, but that's probably only because they aren't as **** as I am when it comes to finding the problems in the first place.

Just wait until I start describing the master bath shower...there won't be any cabinets or linen closets in the bathrooms, either, they'll all be furniture as well. I'll save the powder room for last -- it will look a lot like an outhouse --
 
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<font color="blue"> I'll save the powder room for last -- it will look a lot like an outhouse -- </font>

Have you found a supply of old Sears and Roebucks catalogs for you powder room paper supply? That is, if you really want to keep the outhouse theme.

Don, I like your ideas, your writing style and friendliness. I wish we were neighbors.
 
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<font color="blue"> I like your ideas, your writing style and friendliness. I wish we were neighbors. </font>
/forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif Back atcha.

As for the Sears Catalogues, I haven't found a supply of really old ones, which leads to a dilemma. Ever since I was a kid 'lo those many years ago, the Sears catalog has been printed on slick paper. 'Way back in the day, they were on a type of newsprint paper. Now, slick paper just doesn't work as well for the -- uh -- purpose.

So, I'm wondering how far to take authenticity. The low cost and easy availability was what led to the use of the catalogs in the first place; it would seem to be violating that spirit to bid extraordinary amounts on EBay for the early catalogs and then have them shipped in, considering their ultimate fate. I'm leaning towards the spirit of the Sears catalog rather than the fact; and considering the daily newspaper as being a worthy successor. I can cut it up into somewhat narrow strips and hang the strips off a coat hanger as necessary. It's also a convenience for the guests; the strips will be pre-cut, rather than requiring them to tear out a page or two. What do you think? Or, am I carrying authenticity too far?
 
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I'm sure the architect will tweak it a bit - but first thing I see is to flip bath to the outside wall for light
put the closet in the middle instead and flip the plumbing so both bathrooms share a common plumbing wall.
Sorry I can't help myself.
keep us posted on the architect's plans
 

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