Bought a Kioti CK3510SE TLB, Package w/ Trailer & Attachments

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Nice looking setup. Read this all the way through. No complaints on anything, but do have a few comments from having worked for a dealer;

#1- After chaining down on the trailer, lower the backhoe to the deck. Do not leave it latched in the transport position. Hard on the latch arm and pin. Also, with the BH up, the rear of the tractor will want to bounce as you hit bumps in the road.

#2- ROPS DO NOT WELD on the ROPS. It is certified as built. Any welding will void it's rating. You can clamp anything IE: canopy, light mounting brackets, you want, just no welding.

#3- The ROPS is foldable. Helps when the garage door opening is too low.
 
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Yeah, actually you can leave the whole 3-pt in place while the backhoe is attached! Everything for the 3-pt is still on it now, as I received it. My goal is to prioritize all my digging projects now before i take the backhoe off for winter and use the 3-pt daily instead. Still searching for a 7-foot grader/scraper blade.

Well my obsessive compulsion held firm and i stayed up late waxing most of the painted surfaces on the tractor last night. As clean as she’s gonna get!


Then my son and i took turns digging around a walnut tree that was in the way of the rear side of my cheap tent shed. I don’t have enough covered storage!

Cool, my little kubota bx you have to remove the backhoe to hook up 3 point.
 
  
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Nice looking setup. Read this all the way through. No complaints on anything, but do have a few comments from having worked for a dealer;

#1- After chaining down on the trailer, lower the backhoe to the deck. Do not leave it latched in the transport position. Hard on the latch arm and pin. Also, with the BH up, the rear of the tractor will want to bounce as you hit bumps in the road.

#2- ROPS DO NOT WELD on the ROPS. It is certified as built. Any welding will void it's rating. You can clamp anything IE: canopy, light mounting brackets, you want, just no welding.

#3- The ROPS is foldable. Helps when the garage door opening is too low.
Good tip on the backhoe while trailering, thanks. Definitely not planning to drill or weld my ROPS, but then again I rarely fasten my seatbelt, so… 😬
 
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There are several on TractorHouse, not for $1000 though. Good luck on that. :rolleyes:

As far as a top link kit, sure I can sell you the kit today, but it's going to be a minimum of 30 weeks before I can ship it.
People just keep purchasing faster than I can build this stuff, and NO I am not expanding to accommodate potential customers.
That is another story to not get into. :cautious:
 
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^ thanks, good links. I guess piecing it all together myself really shouldn't be too hard. Are you sure that's the right length cylinder? I'll measure my top link. Any ideas what cyl would be best for a side link, also?

Same cylinder is $50 cheaper (but out of stock) at surplus center.

 
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Any ideas what cyl would be best for a side link, also?
That ones a little harder. There are several I suspect will work, but haven't tried them.

Are you sure that's the right length cylinder?
Its real close. Close enough to not loose any sleep. The next step down I believe is 16" - 22".

Found this (not my vid)


Same cylinder is $50 cheaper (but out of stock) at surplus center.
Ya, it was cheaper at TSC a few months ago, but things are a going up. The hoses went up $10 as well.
 
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GREAT!, Nice looking setup. I even like the trailer. Looks like you life is going to get easier working on your property and a lot more fun! Nice Job.
 
  
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Thanks, jj. I've already come to realize how much easier my firewood production will be now, having the front grapple. Instead of clambering through the forest to grab every downed log, I can simply stay on the seat and pluck trees out and up with the grapple. Before, I was often really stressing out my back some days, by manually lifting and flipping log sections out into the trails so that I could load them up with forks.
 
  
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Got my son to forget about TV shows and video games for a bit this weekend. He loved it, was very cautious and deliberate with each backhoe motion. Painfully slow to watch, but I was glad he was being so careful haha.

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So nice to be able to take modest trees down without lugging out a chainsaw, and no stumps to deal with. Though I will say, this took a lot longer than it would have with a rented mini-excavator. My backhoe is going to be stored in the tent shed in the background, so I needed some more space to maneuver in front of the zipper door when I go to remove it.

Then my new work lights came in handy when I let a couple buddies try it out during a bonfire at my buddies house next door. I could have walked over to it, but I offered to bring firewood, and had to show her off a bit.

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Well I didn't feel right about doing any more digging until I ensured everything was well greased, so last night I dove in. I knew it would be a bit of a chore with including the backhoe, but I did not expect to find 50 zerks! 50! jeez, man. I decided to try a lock'n'lube coupler; not bad. Still kinda messy, and didn't fit into a couple spots, but easier overall.

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Anyone else with a ck3510 notice that there is a blank line in the badging/labeling on each side of the hood? I added a stupid one to each side that is kind of an inside joke among by buddies, who text it back and forth often (sound it out).

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I made the vinyl stickers on diylettering.com - Font: handel, italic, dark blue border, 200+% border width, font/letter height ~1". Not a perfect match, but, good enough.
 
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Well since I bought my tractor used, I didn't get any dealer swag along with it. Decided to check out the official Kioti apparel site (which they don't have a link to from their main home page? odd)

Apparel - KIOTI Tractor Gear

https://gear.kioti.com

And was surprisingly pleased to see so many items on clearance pricing. So I picked up a shirt for everyone in the family, lol. (They all think I am a giant dork.) I can see why a bright white tractor hat was on clearance though, it's completely trashed with stains after just a couple days of use.

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Getting ready to do a full service on this machine (and my old Cub Cadet as well). Filters are wix brand, from fleetfilter.com, easy to cross reference all the part numbers and feel confident. Mobil delvac (same as 424) is only $50/5-gal at tractor supply. I probably should have bought another jug to have extra, oh well. Hydraulic hoses are the AMA kit from tractor supply as well; hopefully my top cylinder ships from surplus center soon.

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Despite spending so much money on this tractor and package, I didn't really have a way to plow snow with it yet. Ideally I would like a 7' truck plow on an ssqa plate, and/or a heavy duty 6-way rear scraper blade. But my fabrication skills are still under development, and lead time on good new rear blades is crazy long right now. So I nabbed this 7 footer off facebook for just $250! Should do the job this winter, and maybe beyond. It's even painted orange.... kinda sorta. I am debating whether or not to scrape/sand and paint it.

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Still loving the new tractor. Not getting much seat time yet, but it will come.
 
  
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Finally have my front end protected, so I can charge into brush piles with the grapple.

Huge shout out to Broken Anvil Metalworks! Dude does top notch work, quickly, at very reasonable prices. I was tempted to add all the customization options and powdercoating, but my play-funds are pretty tapped out at this point after buying the tractor and various related bits. So I elected to take the bare metal, and just hit it with some glossy clear coat for now. If my paint job fails eventually (likely, lol), I will pull it off and try something new. But I love how it looks as-is.

Test fit after cleat coat:
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Mounted:
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Well I haven't had much seat time lately. So last week on a beautiful fall Thursday, I ducked outta work to go play.

Started by cleaning up my trails, some of which I hadn't been on in many months.

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My bridge is holding up well and thankfully still plenty strong.

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Placed a scrap piece of culvert into this drainage ditch near my road frontage. Needs a bit more dirt.

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And tucked back into her den. I've been taking the bucket off when parked to save a couple feet of room in the garage. SSQA ftw.

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Unfortunately, after digging out and pushing over some trees with the backhoe this weekend, the "CEL" light came on. I figured I could pull the codes through the OBD port and hopefully save a dealer trip. So far no luck though!

My own OBD2 scanner wouldn't connect. A borrowed one from work could see the ECU, but didn't play nice. "freeze frame" data did show a P2119 code, "ACV control fault". ACV is the throttle body in the intake.

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The code reader showed either 2 or 3 codes depending on when I scanned it, but when I went to the "read codes" setting and hit enter, the engine would promptly die! Sheesh.

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I decided to take a chance and spend $100 on a new semi-professional scan tool that has the HD J1939 protocol built in. May not work, but let's hope it does. Will still be handy to have for all my other vehicles.

 
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Very interested to see if it works. I know I'll grab one if you find out it does work!
 
  
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Will do. I'm pretty hopeful, but not too confident.

In the meantime, I'm going to pull her out of the garage tonight and force a regen cycle on the dpf, to see if that helps any.
 
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Would really be going over the whole wiring harness looking for pulled/frayed wires seeing as this happened right after you were in the woods all day.
 
  
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^ thanks, yeah nothing visible as for wiring damage. Honestly I hadn't looked over the underside of this tractor much, but Kioti did a good job keeping the wiring away from damage prone areas. The only real exposed bundle is right behind the 3rd function valve; looked fine.

Anywhoo, she started up perfectly yesterday, without the CEL illuminated (as it had also been doing prior). But the hour meter LCD briefly read "error 002", and then also "error 006". I can't seem to figure out exactly what this means from the workshop manual (downloaded from the Kioti korean ftp site). Getting the real CEL codes from a proper scan tool is obviously the correct diagnostic procedure.

So I pulled her outside, warmed up for 5 minutes, still no CEL so I started a regen. She rev'ed right up, and started doing its thing. But after 5 minutes, I heard a sharp change in tone (fuel injection timing/pattern) and it rev'd back down to idle and the CEL was now on. Whatever is causing my CEL is one of the codes that interrupts or prevents a regen, apparently.

Guess I am waiting until Monday for my new scan tool to arrive, and hope it can pull codes for me. Might still do a little light work this weekend since she seems to be running just fine, and I have tasks to do, but I'm quite paranoid about the CEL. Ugh. Tried to buy a fancy new modern tractor, and it's already fighting me after just a dozen hours of productive work (shes at 116 hours now).
 
  
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Ok, the "error codes" in the dash display are from the owners manual, not the workshop manual:

NO. DISPLAY DESCRIPTION
1 ERR-001 No Signal at TACHO Input
2 ERR-002 No Signal at Water Temp
3 ERR-006 No Signal at GLOW LAMP Input

4 ERR-007 No Signal at PTO CRUISE LAMP
5 ERR-008 No Signal at Water IN FUEL Input
6 ERR-009 No Signal at HOUR Input

WTF. No signal at water temp, no signal at glow lamp? That doesn't make any sense. Edit: After the first time the CELs came on, I did have the water temp gauge dropping out occasionally. Guess it's time to go over the entire wire harness.

I'm beginning to fear I might have an ECU issue, not a simple mechanical issue. I'm well within warranty, especially for emissions related issues, but forcing a local dealer (who I didn't buy it from) to accommodate me sounds rather miserable and time consuming.
 
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Ok, the "error codes" in the dash display are from the owners manual, not the workshop manual:

NO. DISPLAY DESCRIPTION
1 ERR-001 No Signal at TACHO Input
2 ERR-002 No Signal at Water Temp
3 ERR-006 No Signal at GLOW LAMP Input

4 ERR-007 No Signal at PTO CRUISE LAMP
5 ERR-008 No Signal at Water IN FUEL Input
6 ERR-009 No Signal at HOUR Input

WTF. No signal at water temp, no signal at glow lamp? That doesn't make any sense. Edit: After the first time the CELs came on, I did have the water temp gauge dropping out occasionally. Guess it's time to go over the entire wire harness.

I'm beginning to fear I might have an ECU issue, not a simple mechanical issue. I'm well within warranty, especially for emissions related issues, but forcing a local dealer (who I didn't buy it from) to accommodate me sounds rather miserable and time consuming.

I think those error codes are being generated by the cluster. In other words, it's not trying to show you what codes the ECU is throwing, but rather telling you that the instrument cluster isn't receiving those signals. Maybe pop the cluster out and reseat the connections, and check for mice nests while you're in there.

Have you tried disconnecting the battery for a few hours?
Maybe also try disconnecting and reconnecting the ECU.
 
  
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Thanks Stan, I think you are right, those are just cluster errors, which can only really amount to not receiving all the signals it needs.

I did have the battery off for 36 hours or so. I'm going to do it again tonight and unplug the ECU and cluster to inspect the harness and connections. Guess the heavy hood has to come off again, because its near impossible to get underneath it to access the top of the engine, etc.
 
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Also, I'm guessing the tractor sat for a while before you bought it? I wonder if maybe there's a fuel quality or fuel filter issue. Tier IV's seem to be pretty picky about clean fuel and filters.

@MichiganIron : Is there any way for owners to read the codes on these tractors? Like a third-party scanner that works enough for basic troubleshooting?
 
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There are a couple different things going on here.

If the tractor is a Tier IV / Stage 4 tractor (prior to 2020), the error codes in the dash are Instrument Cluster created codes, and have nothing to do with the ECU. Check Engine faults are created by the ECU, not the dash cluster. ECU Error codes can only be read in Stage 4 Tractors with the Diagnostic Program.

If the tractor is a Tier IV / Stage 5 tractor (2020 and after), the Dash Cluster does indicate ECU Faults. This was added by KIOTI to help customers and dealers communicate error codes before needing the Diagnostic Program to source the issue.

So..if the tractor is a Stage 4 tractor, a dealer needs to read the ECU Error codes to determine the source of the CEL on the dash.

Hope this helps....
 
  
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Thanks. It is a 2019 ck3510se.

The cluster error codes have nothing to do with the ECU... except.... they only happened right after I got CELs. I presume the cluster signals come from the ECU, and not directly from any sensors themselves. So I have some sort of harness/ECU gremlin going on here.

My question, to repeat Stan's, is do you know of any aftermarket OBD2 scanner that can pull codes successfully from the Kioti Delphi ECU? Having to trailer it up to the dealer won't be the end of the world, but it sure is inconvenient. Pretty f&*(ng stupid to block customers from having any way to read codes at home, and make them harass their dealers instead.
 
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Just to re-iterate the error codes may have appeared after the CEL indication, but they are not accurate indications of what the ECU is seeing. Best to pretend they are not there in Stage 4 tractors...they can be misleading.

There are not aftermarket scanners that will read the KIOTI ECU Errors that we are aware of.
 
  
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Yeah I plan to ignore those cluster errors, since they don't really mean anything other than temporary cluster signal issues. Hopefully a nothing-burger.

Ok well my J-1939/J-1708 Autel scanner is arriving on Monday, I will report back the CEL codes.

The Cen-tech scanner from harbor freight that I tried could see the ECU, knew there were 3 codes, even saw some freeze-frame data, knew the engine hour meter reading, but would cause the engine to stall when I hit the "scan codes" function - "not supported". So close.

Even if my autel scanner works, if any parts or further diagnosis is needed, it obviously still has to go to the dealer. I just can't stand being in the dark on basic engine diagnosis.
 
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If the tractor is a Tier IV / Stage 5 tractor (2020 and after), the Dash Cluster does indicate ECU Faults. This was added by KIOTI to help customers and dealers communicate error codes before needing the Diagnostic Program to source the issue.

This is very interesting.... I don't suppose one could swap in a >2020 cluster into a <2020 Tier IV unit and get that functionality, could they?
 
  
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This is very interesting.... I don't suppose one could swap in a >2020 cluster into a <2020 Tier IV unit and get that functionality, could they?
Doubtful. It's probably a different ECU calibration, possibly including specific CAN protocols for sharing that CEL info.
 
  
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Might as well type out an update here, for posterity.

I bought the Autel HD (J1939/J1708) scan tool a while back. Figured I couldn't go wrong since it also does all the other automotive protocols. Good value tool for $109.

It readily connected to the ECU, but still couldn't do to the official "scan codes" or "clear codes". Unsupported functions. But, at least this scanner doesn't kill the engine when you try these functions. And again in the "freeze frame" data, I could see the code for the Air Control Valve.

So finally, I threw in the towel on my own diagnostics, and loaded her up on the trailer.

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My closest Kioti dealer is only ~10 miles away. They gladly received my machine, transferred the warranty for me (since I didn't buy it there), and got it into the shop within a week. As suspected, the air control valve was at issue. Supposedly it passed the diagnostic tests they can run, but still kept tripping the CEL code/light. So they ordered a new one for me, it arrived within a week, they promptly put it in, and voila! No more codes, running great. Free repair under warranty - bad ass.

I wanted to build some good will with my dealer and sort of say thank you, so I bought an implement they had sitting in their yard that I had been keeping an eye on - Bad Boy 72" land grader.

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I tried it on my frozen, bone-dry gravel driveway upon arriving home. Kind of dissapointed, but the drive was nearly concrete. I knew I'd have to wait for a thaw and some moisture.

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A few days later, and Muuuch better:
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Also found time over the holidays to get my hydraulic top link installed. Easy peasy!

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Had to clock the cylinder hose port housing to the side to better clear the fuel tank at full lift. Almost made a very expensive mistake first...

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Just to be safe, I found a snug fitting spare bolt to slide into my 3-pt control lever slot, to just slightly limit the full lift height (still plenty).

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Parked the land grader in the yard and put the 7' rear blade back on a couple days ago, in anticipation of a decent snow storm heading our way... and then.... a measly 2". Bummer. Oh well, was still enough to sled with the kids and try the first x-country ski in the woods.

My previous 6' rear blade did not have angled positions in reverse. This newer one I has does, but only at a shallow angle. So I tried it out, did pretty well but didn't really move much snow off the drive. Kinda just flattened it out, but at least it didn't scrape any gravel away.

But the COOLEST thing I have ever seen on facebook... is a post in the Kioti group about how you dont need any fancy attachments to haul garbage/recycling bins. The SSQA bracket fits them perfectly! Don't even have to get off the tractor - bonus.

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It was such a beautiful winter day yesterday. Cold enough to not melt anything. Warm enough (in the sun) to spend the whole afternoon outside basking in it. I shuffled all my firewood totes to get the most seasoned wood queued up next - seems winter is finally here now.

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Spring 2022 Update. Tractor is kicking A$$. No codes or issues whatsoever since the ACV replacement under warranty in Dec 21. ~45 hours of run time since I bought it and no detectable regens yet.

The bad boy lane plane is a magical tool for rejuvenating my gravel driveway after the spring thaw.

I saw a post on the Kioti facebook group about these Kolpin grips, so bought a pair. Fantastic! Worth every penny of $46 for the pair. Thankfully I had some longer bolts in the leftovers bin to use for mounting.

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Then I got a new toy tool delivered to work (loading dock, to avoid shipping charges) and brought it home.

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Yes, I already had a grapple. No complaints about the EA wicked 55", it's a nice piece and works great. But I wanted longer bottom tines for holding more logs or being able to move lumber around, etc.

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Works great!

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Spring is starting to burst out now finally, here in southern Michigan. Time to get the backhoe back on and dive into some projects.
 

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Definitely times longer bottom tines are worth it. Main reason I bought the one I did, as a kind of compromise.

Question: Can you tell me the size of your trailer?
 
  
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Cub Cadet 7305, Kioti CK3510seh TLB
What kind do you have? I have to say, the MTL compact-tractor grapple is a terrific bargain at under $1200 shipped. Assuming it holds up well.

The trailer that came in my tractor package is a Load-Trail 20' , 10k car hauler. I was saving up to buy an 18'er and wanted a 10k or 12k rated trailer, but the prices rose faster than I could save up or justify spending. So to get a 10k 20' in my package was pretty amazing. The original invoice for the trailer shows the previous owner bought it for just over $4000 in 2018 or 2019, I forget. But that same trailer is closer to $6 or 7k today, I think.

20' length is definitely appreciated when hauling with the backhoe or a brush hog mounted.
 

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I have the Granite Grapple from RK


Only a 20' trailer including dove tail? Fits the whole TLB pretty good. I measure my setup at 22' with that 72" bush hog, so was looking for maybe a 24', but looking at your pics had me thinking I good go shorter.
 
  
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Oh good point. It is probably a 20+2. I never measured it.
 
 
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