Bringing the draft back ???

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Andy:

Here goes. Mike and CowBoyDoc will probably have my head over this, but I'll never catch up with Junkman.

I agree 100% with you. Working in the steel business, especially in the rust belt has left me with a bad taste in my mouth and a lighter wallet too. I see people in metro Detroit living in cardboard boxes in the winter time. Just down the road from me in Adrian, Michigan, there is a number of homeless vets living in the woods. What about those people. The people right here in this country. The United States wants to be the ambassador of goodwill and help the world but we really need to help our people at home first. I know, that is a protectionism philosophy, but we and I mean the American people as a whole, need to address the needs of our own people before we address the concerns of other countries. From what I surmise, the whole Iraq deal is about oil, plain and simple.

In this country, our infrastructure is in a shambles. It's time to concentrate on our own affairs and make the affairs of the world secondary.

Again, to all posters here as well as our moderators, I have read this thread over and over and I had to say my piece. I'll be back quiet now as the say on the CB radio. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

 

[armyof1]

Everyone is entitled to there own opinion for many soldier have die to give him or her this right. But the big picture is this if we don’t stop terrorist behavior even over sea then what future do are kids have. So far we have stopped many enemy on their soil before they reached ours. This time they reach ours and I say fight back till it’s over. There are many programs for homeless people but most don’t want to live by the rule that governs these programs like no drinking look for a job. If you happen to have some work for these people go down and offer them a couple days work see how many taker you have. If you have any takers try to get them in a self-help program. I have tried this myself pick them up from the missionary most did not last 2 day. I am far from being right on a lot of thing this may be one of them but I like to investigate on my own to see for myself the out come. If the war is about oil then maybe are kids will stay warm and be able to afford to drive. This is just my opinion not trying down anyone for there’s. Bring back draft this could have good and bad points but enough been said. Sam /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

 

[Tractors4u]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( From what I surmise, the whole Iraq deal is about oil, plain and simple. )</font>

I would hate to think that we went to war strictly for oil, which I don't believe we did. It would be nice if low gas prices were a side affect of the war. If it was about oil where are all the low gas prices?

 

[OkeeDon]

Riptides and Bob Skurka have questioned my statement that the American public was mislead to believe that Iraq was "somehow connected to 9/11". It's a fair question.

As they stated, the administration never made a direct statement to that effect. They went out of their way, however, to create that impression. Certainly, shortly following the invasion, a majority of Americans believed it to be true. This is a report of a poll taken in September, 2003:

"The Washington Post found that 69 percent of all Americans believe that Hussein worked with al Qaeda leader Usama bin Laden to carry out terrorist plans nearly two years ago. In fact, the poll found that even a majority Democrats and independents believe Hussein was a key player.

"Poll analysts conclude that this belief by a large majority of Americans is why the Bush administration has been able to withstand criticism coming from the Democrats regarding the progress in the rebuilding efforts in Iraq."

Even today, after the administration has stated that Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11, a significant number of people still believe it.

How did this come about? I have spent several hours compiling statements from official transcripts of speeches by Bush, Cheney, Powell and Rumsfield that all have misleading insinuations that tie ****** to Al Qaeda and mention 9/11 and Iraq in the same paragraph. Of course, I also found literally thousands of references from partisan sources that protested these remarks, but I limited my search to full and original transcripts. I have many references, but in the interests of brevity, I'll relate only one as an example:

From the official White House transcript of President Bush's January, 2003 State of the Union Speech:

"Before September the 11th, many in the world believed that ****** Hussein could be contained. But chemical agents, lethal viruses and shadowy terrorist networks are not easily contained. Imagine those 19 hijackers with other weapons and other plans -- this time armed by ****** Hussein. It would take one vial, one canister, one crate slipped into this country to bring a day of horror like none we have ever known. We will do everything in our power to make sure that that day never comes."

This type of remark, repeated at every opportunity by administration officials, right wing supporters, and media such as Fox News, bombarded the public until poll results like that cited above became common.

I am convinced, as a result of my own research, not because of any news media, that such remarks, coupled with the claims of WMD and other claims that have turned out to be false -- and were widely predicted at the time to be false -- were a deliberate and successful attempt by the Office of Special Projects under VP Cheney to mislead the public about the reasons for attacking Iraq. In his new book, Bob Woodward quotes Colin Powell as calling that office a "Gestapo office." Powell says he can't recall making the remark.

 

[milkman]

two interesting books for you to read, "The lies of George W Bush", and "How much did you make on the war daddy". The first one is kind of a dry read in spots, a lot of stuff you've heard before but by the end, you get the picture very clearly.

 

[AMP762]

In 1969 I volunteered to go to Nam.I felt it was my duty to help protect the freedom that all people cherish,I did my part , {what the politicians did I had no control of} just like today. After reading this thread in light of the way the people act now I wonder,was it worth it?

 

[OkeeDon]

The issue of protecting our freedom in Vietnam was the basis for all the contention at the time, and is still an interesting question. In that case, we eventually left the country without accomplishing any of our goals, and the North Vietnamese took over. Did our freedom suffer as a result? I leave it to you to decide whether it was worth it.

I do respect you for your service. You were true to your beliefs, and that is to your credit.

 

[riptides]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( As they stated, the administration never made a direct statement to that effect. They went out of their way, however, to create that impression. )</font>

Well, thanks for your opinion. I think what we have here is media bites looking for a story. I never got the impression that Sadaam was linked to 9/11, but you did. As you stated. someone went out of their way to create an impression.

A snip here, a sound bite there, a word here, and boom, you have a story. Who created that, who brought it all together? The media. Not the administration.

I mean really, I hope, the U.S. government is not as stupid as some people may think it to be.

As far as policy goes, well time does tell a unique story on the world. In our instances of time WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Somalia, Middle East, Desert Storm, Iraqi Freedom we see instances of failure, of questions. But the truth of it, is since WWII the United States has fed the world, freedom.

The battle right now is over terrorisum. Not a regional, political, ideaological battle. But a religious-based, individual battle. And that battle resides in all countries, festering in and around Iraqi.

-Mike Z.

 

[riptides]

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( After reading this thread in light of the way the people act now I wonder,was it worth it? )</font>

Breaks my heart to see a vet ask this question.
-Mike Z.

 

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Brent:

The gas prices could be much lower if the Federal and State Gummits didn't tax the gasoline the way they do. Gasoiline like cigaretts is taxed beyond belief. We need another Boston Tea Party in this country.

I missed my vocation in life. Should have been a politician. Just tax the multitudes to support my habits. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif