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   / Bringing the draft back ??? #111  
To all who have posted and to all who are reading this thread and NOT posting...

This thread sure has brought the opinions and beliefs of a really good cross section of America to light. Better than any informational poll conducted by a governmental entity.

It's good reading, that is, reading opinions voiced by TBYNetters.

I'd be willing to surmise that everyone who frequents this site has read this thread, some more than once.
 
   / Bringing the draft back ??? #112  
<font color="red">""The Washington Post found that 69 percent of all Americans believe that Hussein worked with al Qaeda leader Usama bin Laden to carry out terrorist plans nearly two years ago. In fact, the poll found that even a majority Democrats and independents believe Hussein was a key player."
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Don, that's the problem with polls. 90% of the information is gathered by a left-wing media company doing the polling. Washington Post, New York Times, Chicago Tribune, CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS, etc.
Find information from a non-partisan polling company. Information gathered by a cross section of society, not just the left side of society.
As I've said before, I've never been polled.
How many here have been polled and by whom?
 
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<font color="red">"But the big picture is this if we don’t stop terrorist behavior even over sea then what future do are kids have. So far we have stopped many enemy on their soil before they reached ours. This time they reach ours and I say fight back till it’s over." </font>

Excellent.

The United States was the last super power country to have not had terrorism on it's own soil.
Bombings had happened in the UK, Ireland, Germany, France, Spain, Russia, etc.
Then came the first Trade Center bombing (under Clinton).
We have not seen the last, either.
As long as our borders are wide-open to anyone and cries of the ACLU are heard instead of the average American citizen, we will have more problems.

I am glad we have a President that had enough backbone to say, "Enough is enough. We will strike FIRST," -- pre-emptive.
In other words, keep it on their soil, not ours.
 
   / Bringing the draft back ??? #114  
I'm going to try to continue this without mentioning political parties or candidates.
I think that's the best way to proceed with this thread... /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif


No one has answered my question yet--
Why only Iraq?
There are terrible dictatorships all over the world, whose people need freed from oppressive governments.
Why only Iraq?

I agree with many of the things Gary says. However, just because both of us like bluegrass music, or have blue tractors, or even possibly voted for the same guy for president, we don't agree on everything.
You know what?
It's great that everyone is different in one way or another...

My wife said to me yesterday, "You mean this whole Iraq thing isn't because of 9-11?"

I like to think of my wife and I as "typical average Americans". Even though we are both registered members of a political party, we don't defend everything that happens, just to go with the flow on the party line. We don't agree with everything that our government is doing overseas. However, as Daryl and I both mention (and our views are on opposite ends many times), there are SERIOUS issues in this country that are not being addressed at all, and are just being swept under the rug.

Does our country need to have a strong foreign policy?
ABSOLUTELY! But ask the following questions to yourself...

Are the United States' goals (of the conflict in Iraq) specifically documented anywhere?
Are we accomplishing these goals. If we are, are we hitting the target dates for these goals?

Are we going to take care of the nuclear capabilities and WMD in other countries that are known threats, or are we just going to ignore those ones?

Most importantly, is our government currently doing enough domestically to help the future of this country? Schools, jobs, etc.

Think about the future...
 
   / Bringing the draft back ??? #115  
<font color="blue"> The gas prices could be much lower if the Federal and State Gummits didn't tax the gasoline the way they do. Gasoiline like cigaretts is taxed beyond belief. We need another Boston Tea Party in this country. </font>

There were two summers in a row a few years ago where gas hit extreme lows and extreme highs.

The first year was either 1998 or 1999. I remember paying $0.679 for regular unleaded. I remember commenting to my wife that we were paying $0.405 per gallon in tax at the time, so the gasoline was really only costing us around 27 cents!

The very next summer (1999 or 2000) gasoline in this area hit the highest I have ever seen it, when regular unleaded hit $2.049 (except on 9-11, when gas stations were trying to gouge people for $4-$5 per gallon)

Even road diesel was at $1.099 as recently as the first few months of 2002. Now it's $1.729 at the same gas station.

Gasoline in this area is almost up to those record levels from a few years ago, now that it's up to $1.899.

Bring back the 67 cent gas from 5 years ago.
If it was possible then, why can't it be done now???

I'm going to be politically incorrect...
Our government and our military is sitting on the second largest oil reserve in the world. If it isn't going to be used to make money off of like everyone says they are going to do, why can't they at least use it to pay for the $87 billion, rather that having the American tax payers paying for it?

Normally I try very hard to keep politics and religion out of my tractor posts, but since I'm not mentioning sprecific parties or people, I'm going to speak my peace and move on.
I'm going to keep my mouth shut now... /forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
 
   / Bringing the draft back ??? #116  
"Most importantly, is our government currently doing enough domestically to help the future of this country? Schools, jobs, etc. "

No. They are too worried about sending money to other countries. For the amount of money we send to ******, we could retire the national debt.
The amount of money sent to France and Germany, we could abolish the gasoline and cigarette tax.
The jobs issue is a tough one. The manufacturing jobs that we lost are gone forever. They will not be coming back because of labor costs. Neither political party will publicly admit to this. The only way to create jobs is to create companies that hire workers or expand existing companies that hire workers. One of the ways to lure businesses into an area is tax breaks. That does not sit well with some people.

"Why only Iraq?
There are terrible dictatorships all over the world, whose people need freed from oppressive governments.
Why only Iraq?"

$$$$???
I think N. Korea could be next if it weren't for the cost in $$$$.

We need to quit being the police department of the world.
 
   / Bringing the draft back ??? #117  
<font color="purple"> ( After reading this thread in light of the way the people act now I wonder,was it worth it? ) </font>

<font color="blue"> Breaks my heart to see a vet ask this question. </font>

Doesn't break mine.

I spent some time in South East Asia both in uniform and as a civilian (fortunately for me it was a good situation in each case), and I concluded long ago that it was not worth it for those who were killed or crippled there (on both sides). And also that there was no real benefit for those back home either from what I can see.

And I doubt now that this Iraq thing will be any different... /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif

PS...this thread keeps drawing us back, doesn't it? /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
 
   / Bringing the draft back ??? #118  
<font color="blue"> Why only Iraq? There are terrible dictatorships all over the world, whose people need freed from oppressive governments. Why only Iraq? </font>
Who said it will only be Iraq? Some 'problems' you handle in parallel, others sequentially. Depends how many resources you have at your disposal.

<font color="blue"> However, as Daryl and I both mention (and our views are on opposite ends many times), there are SERIOUS issues in this country that are not being addressed at all, and are just being swept under the rug.</font>
I believe that the primary responsibility of the government, at all levels, is to protect and defend the country. Therefore, whatever is needed to accomplish that is the first thing taken out of a tax dollar. Whatever is left then goes to address the other issues/problems.

The great debate is, what's needed to defend the country and how do we do it? The balancing act has diplomacy (cheaper) at one end and military (more expensive) at the other end. One belief system leaves more $$ for social programs, infrastructure improvements, etc. while the other leaves less.

<font color="blue"> Are the United States' goals (of the conflict in Iraq) specifically documented anywhere? Are we accomplishing these goals. If we are, are we hitting the target dates for these goals? </font>
Assuming they are, why would you expect this information to be shared publicly? I am sure our enemies would love to know what our timetable is.

<font color="blue"> Are we going to take care of the nuclear capabilities and WMD in other countries that are known threats, or are we just going to ignore those ones? </font>
See first and second responses. Why would we announce what we're going to do and when? It is situations like this, i.e., timetables, who is on the list of countries that need dealt with, etc., where we have to trust our leaders that there are plans for all of this. This is why I not only value a candidate's position on issues, but I also try and determine to the extent possible, if I can trust them, do they keep promises, etc. Many people seem to want the government to lay out plans dealing with these topics, evaluate them to see if they are 'OK'. Laying out plans for when highways are going to be repaved is one thing. Laying out plans for dealing with our enemies is something else. Again, at some point it comes down to us trusting our leaders to be doing the right things. At some point, the quest for more and more details means the voters want to micro-manage the government and to the extreme, have a referendum on what we should do. This is not a democracy, it's a representative democracy where we elect people to not only represent us, but also to use their own good judgement and wisdom to make the right choices and decisions, some of which we will probably disagree with. So, we're back at the issue of, at some point, having to trust our leaders. One of the questions I ask myself before voting, at least recently, is, "If their spouse can't trust them, why should I?" /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif

<font color="blue"> Most importantly, is our government currently doing enough domestically to help the future of this country? Schools, jobs, etc. </font>
Here we disagree. The items you mention, while important, are not more important than the security of the country. If we do not have security, these other things do not matter.
 
   / Bringing the draft back ??? #119  
</font><font color="blue" class="small">( To all who have posted and to all who are reading this thread and NOT posting...

This thread sure has brought the opinions and beliefs of a really good cross section of America to light. Better than any informational poll conducted by a governmental entity.

It's good reading, that is, reading opinions voiced by TBYNetters.

I'd be willing to surmise that everyone who frequents this site has read this thread, some more than once. )</font>

Let's hope they also notice and emulate the civility that has characterized this lively debate as well!
 
   / Bringing the draft back ??? #120  
<font color="blue"> Let's hope they also notice and emulate the civility that has characterized this lively debate as well!
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AMEN to that! Anywhere else, this thread would have been closed along time ago, with personal attacks and hurt feelings all around. It's great to be in a place where we all have a common interest, and we debate but agree to disagree on other issues.

What a great bunch of people! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
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