Brother n' law says off road diesel is bad

[Kaliburz]

With the right PR, even a cow pie can be made out to smell like roses.

NOTE: Just a comment, not saying that XX brand of diesel engine is a cow pie.

 

[dmccarty]

About a year or so I was at the JD dealer. There was an 8000/9000 series tractor in the garage with a hole in the engine block. The owner was deciding if he should drop in a new engine or a rebuild. I think the new engine was 30K and the rebuild 15K!

They had to pull the outer four tires off the tractor to get it into the repair bay.

I meant to ask at the dealership my last trip up there what the owner did and if they ever found out how the hole was put in the engine. But DuhBoy forgot to ask.

Later,
Dan

 

[KICK]

always been my experience that if you run something long enuf it will fail.... every piece of machinery has a service life, and at times outside forces overcome construction and BOOM.

my employers fleet is about 50% detroits, other half Cummins.... they fail differently, but they all fail somewhere down the line unless we bebuild em ahead of time. since we dont catch them all in time I see cummins fail spectacularly, as evidenced by the pics.... I've seen those rod extractions many times...

 

[D7E]

I disagree. The sulfur content differs greatly.

Absoluteley the dyed is a lower quality but not enough to create a problem...Just add a little conditioner ?

 

[Roto]

You hit the nail on the head dyed fuel is simply that, regular fuel (gas or diesel) with dye, same sulphur, everything. Dye is added so that when they dip your truck tank at the weigh scales and see dye, they smile and write you up a big ticket for road tax evasion

Not True!!! Read the facts!! Heating oil can have 5000 ppm sulfer, off road can have 500 ppm of sulfer and regular pump diesal will have 15 ppm sulfer. As of right now the sulfer content varies greatly from tank to tank and they are not all the same. that is a fact!! As a matter of fact the diesal here in Maine now has lots of K-1 in it to be good for 40 below so that is different then in the south so lots of mixes out there. Diesal is not all the same!!!!!

Now the BIL's original statement was that the die was the problem and not the sulfer.

Mike

 

[Kaliburz]

Aahhh, the sulfur.

Okay, I need some 'perspective' here. Are those PPM at TODAY's standards?

What was the PPM of Sulfur say in 1985 for road, off road and heating oil?

What will running the HIGH, HIGH sulfur do to diesels that were made prior to 1990? Be it an on road or off road engine?

Didn't they mix Kerosene in diesel in the old days so it wouldn't gel? Some old timers said that's what they did vs the #1/#2 mix....

 

[dmccarty]

Today's on road diesel has to be 15 PPM. That started getting pushed out last summer. Its been in my stations for months. The stickers have been on the pumps regarding 15 PPM for months as well. My truck does not smoke anymore when I put my foot in the go peddle so I know its got the ULSD.

Using non 15 PPM fuel in the new diesels is supposed to clog up their emission systems. Seems like you can get fined for non 15 PPM fuel use as well.

You can mix Kero in diesel to stop it from gelling. I know my old Chevy had that in the manual and I'm pretty sure its in my 2002's manual. Seem like mixing Kero might be a no no if it pushes up the sulfur content of the fuel. I just use PowerService to prevent gelling.

Later,
Dan

 

[Kaliburz]

Ah....okay...

So I take it then, since I run 'older' diesels (pre emissions w/ particulate filters), in theory, I could run 'heating oil' that is mixed w/ Kerosene for ani gel. So the most of the regions w/ vastly different 'heating oil', I could run them, since my diesels are old.

So, from my standpoint, plus the people running older diesels, say 7.3L, 6.5, 6.2, 6.9 or any diesel pre 1998.... they 'could' run most region's heating oil EVEN if the sulfur is high since those engines lack the particulate filters and such..... That's in theory, since heating oil has no road tax and would be ILLEGAL for use in on the road diesels.

 

[SkyPup]

I asked my mother n' law about off road diesel and she said she did not like it either and did not want me to put any in her daughters fuel tank even though she did not know what it was ....

 

[JB4310]

So, from my standpoint, plus the people running older diesels, say 7.3L, 6.5, 6.2, 6.9 or any diesel pre 1998.... they 'could' run most region's heating oil EVEN if the sulfur is high since those engines lack the particulate filters and such..... That's in theory, since heating oil has no road tax and would be ILLEGAL for use in on the road diesels.

I would say pre 2007...." I don't know about the kero in 2007 and up diesels, even though it's a grade up from diesel and heating oil it's probably no good for these DPFs, they are very finicky.