Brother n' law says off road diesel is bad

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DIESEL FUEL DYEING IN THE U.S.

In the U.S., a confusing situation for both refiners and purchasers of diesel fuel has arisen
because the IRS and the EPA require the addition of red dye to certain classes of diesel
fuel. Each agency requires adding the dye to a different class of fuel, at a different concentration,
and for a different reason such as:

The EPA wants to identify diesel fuel with high-sulfur content to ensure that it is not
used in on-road vehicles.

The IRS wants to ensure that tax-exempt high-sulfur and low-sulfur diesel fuel are not
used for taxable purposes.

The EPA Requirements
U.S. EPA regulations require "visible evidence of the presence of red dye" to identify high sulfur
fuels when they leave the refinery. In practice, this requires refiners to add a level
of red dye that is equivalent to no more than 0.75 pounds/1,000 bbl (ptb) (2.14 mg/L)
of a solid Solvent Red 26 dye standard. Solvent Red 26 was chosen as the standard
because it is a unique chemical available in pure form. Diesel fuels are actually dyed with
liquid concentrates of Solvent Red 164 because this dye is more fuel soluble and less
costly than the standard. Solvent Red 164 is a mixture of isomers that are very similar to
Solvent Red 26, except the former incorporates hydrocarbon (alkyl) chains to increase its
solubility in petroleum products.

Any red dye observed in the fuel of a vehicle in on-road use triggers a measurement of the
fuels sulfur content. Penalties are assessed based on the actual sulfur content of the fuel,
rather than simply on the presence of dye.

As of June 2012, only heating oil will require red dye for EPA purposes. By then,
on-road, non-road, locomotive, and marine diesels will all be ULSD.

The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) Requirements
U.S. IRS regulations require that tax-exempt diesel fuels, both high-sulfur and low-sulfur,
have a minimum level of a Solvent Red 164 dye that is spectrally equivalent to 3.9 ptb
of the Solvent Red 26 dye standard. This level of dye is more than five times the amount
required by the EPA regulations. The IRS contends that the high dye level is necessary to
allow detection of tax evasion even after five-fold dilution of dyed fuel with undyed fuel.
 
   / Brother n' law says off road diesel is bad #32  
Well, you can always purchase a large supply of Solvent Red 164 dye and add it to all your diesel fuel whenever and where ever you git it, then for sure it would all at least look the same...... :rolleyes:
 
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We have to dye the diesel before it leaves our refinery. It actually gets injected feet from the barge. I'll get a shot of the thing this week when I'm out there. The maintanance crew was working on it a few weeks ago, they hate it because...it's a dye after all.

We don't produce any LS stuff yet.
 
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cp1969 said:
No brother in law ever gave good info.

Evenin Charles,
Classic !!!:) :) :)
 
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Roto said:
He says that off road diesel is bad because it plugs injectors and is not as efficient and that sort of thing. Says it doesnt burn as good because the die doesnt burn and ends up plugging things up and that sort of thing. Ive been running it but want to know if i should or not?

mike

Bro-in-law is sadly misinformed. Most of 'em are.

By the way, I'm "back woods" about as bad as it gets by your standards. I do everything I can for myself. I don't like to pay ANYONE to do ANYTHING I can do myself. I won't pay any more than I have to for (good) fuel. I'd stack my "back woods" up against your bro-in-law any day. I have a mowing business that logs a LOT of hours in the summer. One tractor in particular burned a little over 5500 gallons of OFF ROAD fuel this past year. It suffered NO injector problems. I don't anticipate any problems in the future.
 
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well your not as back woods as my b-n'-l because he wouldnt have a clue about how to use a computer nor run a tv-remote or anything like that but he can change a skiddder tire no problem. Wicked back woods!!:)

mike
 
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Roto said:
well your not as back woods as my b-n'-l because he wouldnt have a clue about how to use a computer nor run a tv-remote or anything like that but he can change a skiddder tire no problem. Wicked back woods!!:)

mike

I do all my own tractor tire work also. So far, computer and TV remote illiteracy is all the boy has on me! ;) Some of us don't call it "back woods". We call it self sufficient.
 
   / Brother n' law says off road diesel is bad #38  
No difference whatsoever in my machines. I use off-road when I can get it and the high priced stuff when necessary. Zero problems either way.


Theo
 
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