Buying a new Truck

[Dmace]

I will say it again for the forth time, these trucks would be very similar in a drag race. You can continue to disagree based on your bias because you wear only one hat. Please tell me the reason for your strong attachment is because your great-grandfather was Walter Chrysler or you are employed by chrysler. If not, why have they set the hook so deep?

I agree they would be close what I don't agree with is Chris' thought that an Ecoboost would "straight get it".
My strong attachment to Chrysler is soley based on the fact that it's the ONLY vehicle I've owned and driven (30 plus owned/ 100's driven) that has been so trouble-free and so able to do anything thrown at it. I've towed with Ford's, Chevy's, Toyota's, etc... and NONE took the load as well as a Dodge truck. The Ford's squatted and ran out of power, the Chevy's brakes sucked, the Toyota's steering and power were useless and every Dodge 1500-3500 gas or diesel always felt the same with any load behind them. I routinely overload my 2003 1500 and haven't even changed the spark plugs in 105k miles...
Maybe some others have had similar results with other manufacturers. To each their own...

Oh by the way, I also am still confused on another part of your post after reading it completely, twice. You mentioned: "I'll give you the variable valve timing as not "simple" but it's far from a high compression twin turbo water-cooled engine with direct injection...".
Do you not like diesel engines because they fit this description exactly?
How would you suggest the engine be cooled? Hydrogen, air, freon?

If you think those two are the same then I can't help you...
Also, the "water-cooled" was referring to the turbos not the engine but again I'm not surprised you don't get it...

Do you actually listen to yourself babble? Hemi this, Hemi that.

I only use the HEMI for reference as it's the benchmark for all engine comparisons and I know from personal use just how good it is. Look around and every manufacturer and auto magazine compares trucks to the HEMI as it's on top...

I commend Dodge for building a 8 speed, why cant you do the same for Ford building the best truck engine to come around since the Chevy 350?

Speaking of brain washed, " best truck engine to come around since the Chevy 350"
I commend them for trying but to push it as the replacement for simple V8's and the ultimate working truck engine is rediculous.
It's a strung out V6 that does everything a V8 does but with a ton more parts to fail, yeah thats innovation all right...
So would a twin turbo 4 cylinder making the same power and just 10% better fuel mileage be better than a NA V6...?

 

[jejeosborne]

I agree they would be close what I don't agree with is Chris' thought that an Ecoboost would "straight get it".

He meant that the truck had a lot of get up and go. It is a saying. Had nothing to do with what he thought about the outcome. That I how I took I but he will surely explain what his meant.

If you think those two are the same then I can't help you...
Also, the "water-cooled" was referring to the turbos not the engine but again I'm not surprised you don't get it...

You said water cooled engine again the confusion you create. . Same question then for the turbo. You make it sound like a water cooled turbo is a bad thing. Actually it is a great thing.

I only use the HEMI for reference as it's the benchmark for all engine comparisons and I know from personal use just how good it is. Look around and every manufacturer and auto magazine compares trucks to the HEMI as it's on top...

Funny!

So would a twin turbo 4 cylinder making the same power and just 10% better fuel mileage be better than a NA V6...?

Yes!

 

[TheGoose]

Yeah, I'm using the computer, but I can't hand-calculate until we empty the tank!! And with 36 gallons of fuel back there it will be another few days. LOL.:thumbsup:

My Z-71 was always fairly close, within 1 or so MPG.

What are you using to give you MPG rating; on board computer?

To get a true reading fill tank, take a drive and when back home or destination fill tank again.

The onboard computers can be as much as 20% off!

 

[aczlan]

I'll give you the variable valve timing as not "simple" but it's far from a high compression twin turbo water-cooled engine with direct injection...

Volvo has watercooled Turbos in their 200 series cars since 1982 and since 1985 in their 700 series cars (source: Volvo Turbo | Turbochargers among others).
Watercooled turbos will last longer than air/oil cooled ones as the water helps with heat soak after the engine is shutn off.
From Garrett: Oil & Water Plumbing | Turbobygarrett

Following a hot shutdown of a turbocharger, heat soak begins. This means that the heat in the head, exhaust manifold, and turbine housing finds it way to the turbo's center housing, raising its temperature. These extreme temperatures in the center housing can result in oil coking.
To minimize the effects of heat soak-back, water-cooled center housings were introduced. These use coolant from the engine to act as a heat sink after engine shutdown, preventing the oil from coking. The water lines utilize a thermal siphon effect to reduce the peak heat soak-back temperature after engine shut down. The layout of the pipes should minimize peaks and troughs with the (cool) water inlet on the low side. To help this along, it is advantageous to tilt the turbocharger about 25ｰ about the axis of shaft rotation.
Many Garrett turbos are water-cooled for enhanced durability.

Aaron Z

 

[TheGoose]

You know, DMace, I can appreciate how much you love Dodge. And I do believe that the Hemi is a great engine. But to continually come on here and bash the Eco-boost over and over is just really un-called for.

The fact of the matter is that the Eco-Boost is a run-away sales leader and more people are buying the EB "new technology" than the Hemi. It certainly captured this long-time chevy man's attention.

E-B is not "new technology". Ford is simply the first auto-maker to have the guts to put them in a truck. GM was putting "Eco-Boost" in their Buick Grand National's back in the 80's and people still talk about how great those cars were. Back in the 80's diesel engine trucks were dogs. Sure they could pull but they were slow and lumbering. Slap a turbo in and suddenly the truck wakes up and very rarely do you hear of the turbo giving any problems and diesel burns much dirtier than gas, even with all the pollution technology today.

Oh, speaking of Dodge, our new Dodge diesel we have at work has to go to the shop to have the clutches replaced at 20K miles. Seems they just couldn't hold up. Also it's already been back for DEF problems twice, now the tranny is going out. Gotta love those Dodges huh?

 

[foreman Etexas]

You know, DMace, I can appreciate how much you love Dodge. And I do believe that the Hemi is a great engine. But to continually come on here and bash the Eco-boost over and over is just really un-called for.

The fact of the matter is that the Eco-Boost is a run-away sales leader and more people are buying the EB "new technology" than the Hemi. It certainly captured this long-time chevy man's attention.

E-B is not "new technology". Ford is simply the first auto-maker to have the guts to put them in a truck. GM was putting "Eco-Boost" in their Buick Grand National's back in the 80's and people still talk about how great those cars were. Back in the 80's diesel engine trucks were dogs. Sure they could pull but they were slow and lumbering. Slap a turbo in and suddenly the truck wakes up and very rarely do you hear of the turbo giving any problems and diesel burns much dirtier than gas, even with all the pollution technology today.

Oh, speaking of Dodge, our new Dodge diesel we have at work has to go to the shop to have the clutches replaced at 20K miles. Seems they just couldn't hold up. Also it's already been back for DEF problems twice, now the tranny is going out. Gotta love those Dodges huh?

Awesome cars the national and regals are and if I had the $$$ I would buy one in a heart beat. I got beat bad years back in my 5.0 and on the grandnationals back brake light, lite up U-LOSE.....

 

[RollingsFarms]

If most of the Ford salesman weren't complete idiots and knew how to deal, maybe they'd sell MORE of those EB engines. It may be the best thing going today but when other makes of truck are giving you THOUSANDS more off its a no brainier for some folks. In my experience Ford dealers are the absolute worst when it comes down to negotiating and making the sale. I'm happy with my GM 6.2 and thousands I saved in my pocket

 

[Groo]

It seams like very few salesmen bother to keep up with new technology or suggest people order it. They just want to cram you in the car they have on the lot right now and who cares what the customer wants.

 

[TheGoose]

I only briefly looked at chevy, since they do not offer a real 6.5' bed on a four door truck.

The best deal I could make was almost the same I bought my ford for. The only difference is that I was going to have give them my old truck for that deal.

Of course, I'm sure if I shopped around I could have gotten a better price, but I was so PO'd at that particular dealer that I will probably never do business with them again. Mind you I have bought several vehicles with this particular dealer, including my last one.
EB is about a $1K option FWIW.

If most of the Ford salesman weren't complete idiots and knew how to deal, maybe they'd sell MORE of those EB engines. It may be the best thing going today but when other makes of truck are giving you THOUSANDS more off its a no brainier for some folks. In my experience Ford dealers are the absolute worst when it comes down to negotiating and making the sale. I'm happy with my GM 6.2 and thousands I saved in my pocket

 

[Dmace]

E-B is not "new technology". Ford is simply the first auto-maker to have the guts to put them in a truck. GM was putting "Eco-Boost" in their Buick Grand National's back in the 80's and people still talk about how great those cars were. Back in the 80's diesel engine trucks were dogs. Sure they could pull but they were slow and lumbering. Slap a turbo in and suddenly the truck wakes up and very rarely do you hear of the turbo giving any problems and diesel burns much dirtier than gas, even with all the pollution technology today.

GM had a twin turbo direct injected engine...? No
Funny how you think "Eco-Boost" just means added a turbo. Turbo charging a direct injected engine IS pretty new technology and is nothing like an old turbo GNX or diesel engine. I'm not gonna bother explaining the differences as the majority here think a turbo diesel engine is the same as a turbo gas engine...