BX2350 vs BX24 vs 2320 - First Tractor

   / BX2350 vs BX24 vs 2320 - First Tractor #11  
Volfandt said:
As to the OP's original question, if I didn't need the BH I would recommend the B2320. You get the suspended mower of the BX, 3 range tranny and alittle more 3PH & FEL capacity.
Good luck

The BH65 backhoe that I have seen on the new B20 series tractors mounts the same as a BX backhoe, and looks very well intergrated. Either the BX, or B20 series would be great for light backhoe work. The B20 series is more expensive however. I do think that the OP would be well served by a B2320 - B2920.
 
   / BX2350 vs BX24 vs 2320 - First Tractor #12  
montelatici said:
I seriously doubt that only two members out of the thousands find removing and re-installing BX24 B/H, FEL and MMM a PITA and doubly dubious that only 2 members would prefer to have a dedicated mower.

I didn't say "dedicated mower." If I had the funds, I would have no problem buying a top of the line ZTR for the turf and an L series tractor for the heavy duty work, but that is different from buying multiple tractors in the same class just so you don't have to change implements. I've been reading these threads virtually daily for years, and you and LBrown59 are indeed the only two members that I remember who have bought multiple BX tractors so that you don't have to change implements. It is also true that the vast majority of members do not have excessive problems changing implements. I do hear you on the age issue; that is why I always ask myself whether I will still be able to operate an implement 20 years from now, before I buy it. It is also why I have pavement and dollies.

Taking the advice of LBrown59 is also something most members would shy away from. Here is a list of things LBrown has said on this board:

1. Mobile homes are better constructed and stronger than stick built houses. He knows so because he used to sell them, but he never responds when asked to back it up with engineering specs.

2. He has built decks using 2 x 4s as joists that are stronger than typical decks with 2 x 10 or 2 x 12 joists. He also never responds when asked for plans or engineering.

3. He bought his BX23 for thousands less than anyone has ever heard of. When asked to show a receipt, he doesn't respond.

4. He paid $5 for his Ohio auto plates. When asked to show a receipt, he never responds.

5. He believes mobile home frames make good superstructure frames for automobile bridges. When asked for engineering, he never responds.

6. Though Ohio has not been considered the Northwest Territory since the end of the Revolution, he wants us all to know that he lives in the first organized settlement in what he still calls the Northwest Territory.

7. He says the high range on a BX was designed by Kubota specifically and only for traveling from point A to point B, that the tractor can only perform work in low range. When asked to point out where that is stated in Kubota literature, he simply does not respond.

8. LBrown59 believes that having one BX tractor each for every possible use is preferable to changing implements.

You are not in good company.

Yes, there are many members who have a dedicated mower and then a big-***** machine that can rip hardpan, brush-hog a swath 8' wide, and tow a line of rail cars. Such a big machine will destroy a lawn however. There are very, very few people who would have one BX for light trenching and loader work, and then buy another BX to cut the grass. It would make a lot more sense to get a good ZTR. Having two machines that each do tasks the other can't is sensible. Having two machines that are capable of doing the same jobs, just to avoid a simple implement change is not.

Now as far as you spending your money to do what you want, nobody is going to say that you don't have a right to do that; obviously you can do whatever you want. When you encourage other people to buy multiple BX's just so they don't have to change implements, implements you think are a pita to change, that is different. The vast, vast majority do not agree with you on that. I think you are giving very bad advice. I do not think you will find many other members here chiming in and advising the O.P. to buy multiple BX tractors.
 
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   / BX2350 vs BX24 vs 2320 - First Tractor #13  
I see, you believe that LB is bad company. I will probably never meet LB, but his position that building dollies and changing attachments is a waste of time is consistent with my view. I want a mower ready to mow, doesn't matter if it is a ZTR or tractor. In my case, I found a relatively inexpensive new BX1850 (at zero interest) was a good mower. The fact that it has a free 3 point hitch for a number of implements I have laying around was a plus. Remember, I was looking at standard mowers before I decided on the BX1850. I wanted a mowing device in any case. I found that mowing with the BX24 was not my thing, i.e. I was not interested in re-installing the mower on it and restricting its usefullness as a loader and backhoe.
 
   / BX2350 vs BX24 vs 2320 - First Tractor #14  
Just to make it clear I wanted a diesel powered mower, I could have purchased a GR 2110 at $6,900, a Kubota diesel ZTR at over 11K or this BX1850 with a 54" mower and front hydraulics at $8,250. Think about it.
 
   / BX2350 vs BX24 vs 2320 - First Tractor #15  
I have thought about it. Here's what I think, you are free to do whatever you want with your own money. It doesn't matter what the cost is for those three machines because you already have a machine that will do the job. For a person with a full sized UT or commercial unit, one of those would make sense, but having two machines in the same class is redundant. You are in an extremely small minority in the way you approach things. It's fine if it's what you want to do, but to recommend to other people that they need multiple BX tractors because implement change is so difficult is very bad advice. The vast majority of people do not find implement changing on a BX so difficult that they feel the need to buy a second (or even a third) one. When you or Brown give this advice, I and others will continue to say that it is not good advice.
 
   / BX2350 vs BX24 vs 2320 - First Tractor #16  
It must be nice to be rich!!!!!! or just plain lazy. I guess that I just don't understand? You already had a tractor that would do everything that you needed it to do but because you don't want to change implements you spend $8000+ on basically the same tractor????? I can understand that it may be difficult for you to change implements but how often do you really need a backhoe? And the fel loader requires almost no effort to remove/install and can be used with the mower still installed in most instances. If you can operate the machine and perform the manual labor that goes along with it, it shouldn't be a pita to change implements with some simple planning. I just feel that you and LB may scare some perfectly able people away from a good, easy, comfortable tractor to use that 99% of people can handle the task of changing implements. I am not trying to dog you guys just think about the advice that you are giving some potential first time buyers.
 
   / BX2350 vs BX24 vs 2320 - First Tractor #17  
Stimpee, I've had my BX24 for a little over 2 years and am very pleased with it. I was looking at other tractors in the BX line whithout the hoe but thought of many things I may want to do in the future that would be a lot easier with it. I had trouble at first justifying the cost but did it anyway. What can I say. So glad I did. I've used it so much that if I were to pay someone for renting one as much as I've used mine I could of bought one. I use my BX24 for mostly mowing. I usually take off the loader and hoe to mow to help make it easier in the tight spots and it's easier and faster than you would think. Although the manual takes a few pages to explain how to do it, it's very easy. The mmm is the hardest only cause you gotta get on the ground to do it. The hoe and loader are so easy to take off both can be off in literally under 7 mins with a little practice. If doing any heavy excavating you should take off the mmm to avoid damaging it while driving over the rough terrain. The mmm takes about 10-20 mins depending on the ground your on(level and smooth or rough/gravel). Mowing is a lot easier without the fel on but shouldn't do it with the hoe on. The left three point arm raises the deck and the valving could be damaged with the hoe hydraulics hooked up. As for the three point- akward but not hard. I use a scraper blade for snow removal and puting that on isn't too bad, just akward(hitch parts flop around a little) but still pretty easy. If I were you I would get the BX 24 with a mmm. Size of the mower is up to you. I got the 60" but if I had to do it again I'd probably get a smaller one. The smaller ones cut on hills better if the grade changes under the deck. As for the strength of the loader it will pick up anything that will fit in it and some. I'm talking about dirt, gravel, rocks, snow, mixed concrete and washers and dryers-didn't have help getting them off my pickup:). If you really want a slightly bigger tractor without a hoe you could get one but that hoe really comes in handy. Oh yeah, and I'm too poor to by a dedicated mower. Just have a push mower for where the tractor won't fit.
 
   / BX2350 vs BX24 vs 2320 - First Tractor
  • Thread Starter
#18  
In spite of all of the off topic discussion here, I am still in my own personal conundrum.

I have basically discounted the BX series due to the size of my property and my needs. I am looking at the other B series tractors, and was leaning toward the 2920, however I am now looking at other options including the 7800 (although not at the top of my list), or the 2630 or 3030 options.

The thought of this being a "once in a lifetime" purchase has me continuing to "upsell" myself before I commit. I am looking at loader capacity, 3 point capacity (even though I don't know what I will use THAT capacity for), and the other benefits like position control, and independent PTO that the 20 series does not have. Also, the thought of a somewhat bigger beefier tractor is attractive to me, since I don't know what the future will bring. The 30 series also provides the option for the 72" mowing deck, which might be a timesaver for me also.

Then I start thinking that adding the backhoe when the financing is 0% for 42 months wouldnt be THAT painful...

I think I have some sort of disease already, and I havent even purchased my first tractor. Any advice would be appreciated. I have been talking to Neil Messick on email about my thoughts and about pricing (he is about an hour or 2 away from me), and also a local dealer near me in DE, however I am not sure my local guy is prepared to compete with Messick's on price.

I am still quite conflicted on what to do, but starting to lean strongly toward the 3030, figuring that it would be my best "no regrets" choice, other than maybe some regret for my wallet for 42 months...

Steve
 
   / BX2350 vs BX24 vs 2320 - First Tractor #19  
stimpee said:
In spite of all of the off topic discussion here, I am still in my own personal conundrum.

I have basically discounted the BX series due to the size of my property and my needs. I am looking at the other B series tractors, and was leaning toward the 2920, however I am now looking at other options including the 7800 (although not at the top of my list), or the 2630 or 3030 options.


Then I start thinking that adding the backhoe when the financing is 0% for 42 months wouldnt be THAT painful...


I am still quite conflicted on what to do, but starting to lean strongly toward the 3030, figuring that it would be my best "no regrets" choice, other than maybe some regret for my wallet for 42 months...

Steve

Go for the 3030 w/backhoe and 72" mower and you won't regret it. If you go too small you'll always want bigger. I like my BX24 and if I didn't live on a mountain with steep property I would have got the 3030.
 
   / BX2350 vs BX24 vs 2320 - First Tractor
  • Thread Starter
#20  
The backhoe is killing me. It is a $6400 option. I would love to have it, and even have some short-term uses for it (planting 40+ trees, digging small underground reservoir for brine backflugh from my water conditioner, digging small decorative pond/water feature for wife, and maybe even digging trenches for in-field waterers, although using a ditch witch would probably be more efficient for that). However the cost of the hoe is a lot, compared to even what it would cost to rent a mini-excavator for a few days here or there, or even to pay a pro with a full-size hoe to come in.

Decisions decisions!!!

Steve
 

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