Calcium in tires, no longer a fan......

[mcfarmall]

Well boys and girls, I have an update on the TL-90 tire ballast product that I recently paid my local ag tire store to put in my tires. I was told that the product was "the same as Rim-Guard" and that it was "beet juice based" before I had the work done. I even asked a second or third time as the day grew closer and was told the same thing.

After seeing the post about the "Ballast Star" product that OldPath05 had installed in his tires, it got me to wondering about the TL-90 stuff. Today I called the manufacturer and asked for a pdf copy of the TL-90 MSDS and guess what? Yep, it's a solution of 90% calcium chloride and 10% corn steep. This brew supposedly has the corrosiveness of plain water as the corn steep is a corrosion inhibiter that allegedly makes the CaCl chemically non-corrosive. Needless to say, I feel that I was misled by the tire store perhaps by their own lack of knowledge of the product.

I'm not the kind of person who feels that everyone is lying to me all the time or has some motivation to do me harm or screw me over every chance they get so I'm not terribly upset at the tire dealer. The take-away from this whole experience is that I should have contacted the manufacturer prior to having the tires filled.

There are tubes in the tires so at least the solution is not in direct contact with the metal rim and as long as I'm vigilant about inspecting for leaks around the valve hole and core, I should be ok albeit disappointed.

Will certainly keep updating this thread should problems arise.

 

[fried1765]

Well boys and girls, I have an update on the TL-90 tire ballast product that I recently paid my local ag tire store to put in my tires. I was told that the product was "the same as Rim-Guard" and that it was "beet juice based" before I had the work done. I even asked a second or third time as the day grew closer and was told the same thing.

After seeing the post about the "Ballast Star" product that OldPath05 had installed in his tires, it got me to wondering about the TL-90 stuff. Today I called the manufacturer and asked for a pdf copy of the TL-90 MSDS and guess what? Yep, it's a solution of 90% calcium chloride and 10% corn steep. This brew supposedly has the corrosiveness of plain water as the corn steep is a corrosion inhibiter that allegedly makes the CaCl chemically non-corrosive. Needless to say, I feel that I was misled by the tire store perhaps by their own lack of knowledge of the product.

I'm not the kind of person who feels that everyone is lying to me all the time or has some motivation to do me harm or screw me over every chance they get so I'm not terribly upset at the tire dealer. The take-away from this whole experience is that I should have contacted the manufacturer prior to having the tires filled.

There are tubes in the tires so at least the solution is not in direct contact with the metal rim and as long as I'm vigilant about inspecting for leaks around the valve hole and core, I should be ok albeit disappointed.

Will certainly keep updating this thread should problems arise.

I certainly understand your disappointment.
If that had happened to me I would be requesting a refund.
It is called "deceptive practice" the way I see it.
I would be getting a refund, or filing in small claims court.

 

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Well boys and girls, I have an update on the TL-90 tire ballast product that I recently paid my local ag tire store to put in my tires. I was told that the product was "the same as Rim-Guard" and that it was "beet juice based" before I had the work done. I even asked a second or third time as the day grew closer and was told the same thing.

After seeing the post about the "Ballast Star" product that OldPath05 had installed in his tires, it got me to wondering about the TL-90 stuff. Today I called the manufacturer and asked for a pdf copy of the TL-90 MSDS and guess what? Yep, it's a solution of 90% calcium chloride and 10% corn steep. This brew supposedly has the corrosiveness of plain water as the corn steep is a corrosion inhibiter that allegedly makes the CaCl chemically non-corrosive. Needless to say, I feel that I was misled by the tire store perhaps by their own lack of knowledge of the product.

I'm not the kind of person who feels that everyone is lying to me all the time or has some motivation to do me harm or screw me over every chance they get so I'm not terribly upset at the tire dealer. The take-away from this whole experience is that I should have contacted the manufacturer prior to having the tires filled.

There are tubes in the tires so at least the solution is not in direct contact with the metal rim and as long as I'm vigilant about inspecting for leaks around the valve hole and core, I should be ok albeit disappointed.

Will certainly keep updating this thread should problems arise.

So for what i'm researching, the stuff is supposed to rotate abound a rim and because the oil has floated to the top, it coats the rim from being attacked by the calcium. My question is how does it do this if put in a tube? Also, if the oil has separated from the calcium (unless there is a different formula) to be able to coat the rim but the stuff is inside a tube, how does it protect from corrosion if the stem is say at the bottom and has leaked a more pure calcium onto the rim that hasn't seen nary a bit of the oil trapped in the tube? Was a tube supposed to be used with this concoction?

 

[fried1765]

So for what i'm researching, the stuff is supposed to rotate abound a rim and because the oil has floated to the top, it coats the rim from being attacked by the calcium. My question is how does it do this if put in a tube? Also, if the oil has separated from the calcium (unless there is a different formula) to be able to coat the rim but the stuff is inside a tube, how does it protect from corrosion if the stem is say at the bottom and has leaked a more pure calcium onto the rim that hasn't seen nary a bit of the oil trapped in the tube? Was a tube supposed to be used with this concoction?

The stuff sounds rather hokey to me!

 

[sixdogs]

I don't know about on top of things. I try to be an action guy rather than a reaction guy but sometimes it don't work out.....

I bought new rims for the Ford after I got it. Changed size. $110 per rim. Kubota would be higher but not over $250 per rim.

I ain't takin em apart. You and I will have to stick around here on TBN until they rot out to get final results. I'll start a thread when they do!!!!

Kubota is indeed more than $250 per rim. Messicks lists a best price of $708 for the rear rim only. Retail is higher.
Front rim is $172. Retail is higher.

That rear rim looks proprietary to me in that the setup for the cast rear center looks unique and not universal to all tractors. If you ever need a rim, they could be the only game in town.

 

[ovrszd]

Kubota is indeed more than $250 per rim. Messicks lists a best price of $708 for the rear rim only. Retail is higher.
Front rim is $172. Retail is higher.

That rear rim looks proprietary to me in that the setup for the cast rear center looks unique and not universal to all tractors. If you ever need a rim, they could be the only game in town.

Could be. I guess if we live long enough we'll find out!!!!

 

[teg]

...I feel that I was misled by the tire store perhaps by their own lack of knowledge of the product...

Did you let the tire company know what they are selling??

 

[Oldpath05]

"Today I called the manufacturer and asked for a pdf copy of the TL-90 MSDS and guess what? Yep, it's a solution of 90% calcium chloride and 10% corn steep. This brew supposedly has the corrosiveness of plain water as the corn steep is a corrosion inhibitor that allegedly makes the CaCl chemically non-corrosive. Needless to say, I feel that I was misled by the tire store perhaps by their own lack of knowledge of the product."

mcfarmall<<<Misled, Yup me too, but the JD place could fix my tires now, and I needed my tractor now so I was willing to take a chance because they said Ballast Star is like RG, if it was May or June I would of done more pre-research, waited a week or two and have the real RG put in at the Kubota place. I'm hoping I can get by atleast 4 years or till my tires ware out.

 

[fried1765]

"Today I called the manufacturer and asked for a pdf copy of the TL-90 MSDS and guess what? Yep, it's a solution of 90% calcium chloride and 10% corn steep. This brew supposedly has the corrosiveness of plain water as the corn steep is a corrosion inhibitor that allegedly makes the CaCl chemically non-corrosive. Needless to say, I feel that I was misled by the tire store perhaps by their own lack of knowledge of the product."

mcfarmall<<<Misled, Yup me too, but the JD place could fix my tires now, and I needed my tractor now so I was willing to take a chance because they said Ballast Star is like RG, if it was May or June I would of done more pre-research, waited a week or two and have the real RG put in at the Kubota place. I'm hoping I can get by atleast 4 years or till my tires ware out.

I suspect you can get 10 or more years, without destroying your rims.
When the tires need replacement would be a good time to consider going to Rim Guard, or WWF.

 

[Turbys_1700]

My WM 50 was filled with methanol and water at the dealership. For years down here in NC water and antifreeze was used and still is by the vast majority of farmers and tractor users. We don't get very cold and only have a few days every year under freezing. Does not take a lot of antifreeze to make the solution trouble free. Back in the day it was regular antifreeze but today it is RV antifreeze or the non toxic variety.