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/ California #281  
I guess you made my point for me, your very very very small world on the peninsula and Santa Clara valley is not typical of much if not any of California. You environment and cage there is artificial, so is the housing market. HS

Except I live in East Oakland CA... very different from the Peninsula and Santa Clara...

The case could easily be made East Oakland is not typical of many places.
 
/ California #282  
Except I live in East Oakland CA... very different from the Peninsula and Santa Clara... The case could easily be made East Oakland is not typical of many places.
In my day East Oakland was the armpit of Bay Area. Still is... Yuk. How soon can you move. My sympathy. HS.
 
/ California #283  
I'll be here as long as mom is... she does enjoy time spent in Washington immensely... that said it is too far from her grand kids and friends to pick up and move in her 80's...

Home paid off... garden and fruit trees she spent 50 years cultivating, great neighbors and 2k in property taxes so her social security covers all her needs.
 
/ California #285  
I'll be here as long as mom is... she does enjoy time spent in Washington immensely... that said it is too far from her grand kids and friends to pick up and move in her 80's...

Home paid off... garden and fruit trees she spent 50 years cultivating, great neighbors and 2k in property taxes so her social security covers all her needs.

Washington is OK if you like perpetual rain. What do they have, maybe two weeks of sunshine per year? Besides it's turned democommie to so there are no redeeming features. Then there's that big volcano up there that's ready to pop its top and bury have the population of the state in either mud and ash or be cooked alive in a pyroclastic flow.
 
/ California #286  
Washington is OK if you like perpetual rain. What do they have, maybe two weeks of sunshine per year? Besides it's turned democommie to so there are no redeeming features. Then there's that big volcano up there that's ready to pop its top and bury have the population of the state in either mud and ash or be cooked alive in a pyroclastic flow.
Not to mention when that subduction zone fault goes the tsunami in Japan will look small. HS
 
/ California #287  
OK... California it is... time to sell holdings in Washington.
 
/ California #288  
OK... California it is... time to sell holdings in Washington.

Well you're not gaining much safty down there in that fault zone with the big one getting all wound up. Then I suppose in Oakland you'd better be shopping bullet proof vests and armored vehicles.
 
/ California #289  
Washington is OK if you like perpetual rain. What do they have, maybe two weeks of sunshine per year? Besides it's turned democommie to so there are no redeeming features. Then there's that big volcano up there that's ready to pop its top and bury have the population of the state in either mud and ash or be cooked alive in a pyroclastic flow.
Yep everybody please keep thinking that. Just the perception we Washingtonians like.
 
/ California #290  
Tough crowd...

Born and raised in California... when the Hospital where I work was being bought and we had to "Apply" for our jobs I decided to act and make my move to Washington... a place where I have a lot good memories...

An injunction was filed to stop the sale so job, seniority and all was preserved... but I had just closed on my Washington property... decided having a job was better than no job as the economy was going to pot and decided to rent Washington for the interim.

There really is no place quite as stunning and beautiful was Western Was looking out over the Sound with the Olympics in the background....

Till things settle... I have deep roots in Oakland CA...as 5 generations of my family have called Oakland home...
 
/ California #292  
BAH! Sentimentality! :laughing:

I remember the boarded up houses walking to school in the 70's that the city was selling for $1 if you moved in for 5 years and made $5k in improvements... paint and a roof would pretty much cover it...

I remember those $1 homes that are now selling for 350k and up.

I'm no fortune teller but experience has repeatedly shown California always comes back stronger...
 
/ California #293  
There really is no place quite as stunning and beautiful was Western Was looking out over the Sound with the Olympics in the background....
Shhh... Naw it ain't nice at all. From my deck and where I'm sitting now.

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/ California #294  
I remember the boarded up houses walking to school in the 70's that the city was selling for $1 if you moved in for 5 years and made $5k in improvements... paint and a roof would pretty much cover it...

I remember those $1 homes that are now selling for 350k and up.

I'm no fortune teller but experience has repeatedly shown California always comes back stronger...
Yep. First house we bought over in the state capital was a small decent duplex in an older 'white flight' neighborhood. This means as the elderly population in the neighborhood died off the absentee heirs rented to whoever because near nobody would buy there. I think the Black Panthers shooting a cop in a siege of their site gave the whole neighborhood a bad name, but that had been the only scary incident in the neighborhood's history. Population was mostly elderly white owners, maybe 10% younger, qualified black owners, 10% poorer black and white renters.

Anyhow we were poor. We applied our life savings of $1,000 and a month's sweat equity to qualify for a FHA 3% down loan, and bought it for $15,000.

We made the right choice, rent from the other side of the duplex covered all our housing cost and that was the beginning of 40 years putting part of our paychecks into accumulating savings and investments.

And the neighborhood wasn't scary. Our black and white new neighbors who owned, stopped by to say our purchase was a good sign the decline of property values had turned around and now their property values would hopefully turn up.

Ok, we bought it for $15,000 during a time that was tense nationally, but not in our little neighborhood. I see that duplex is presently on the market, listed at $298,000. Zillow's rough estimate of value based on comparables is $387,000.

Yes, California seems to come back.
 
/ California #295  
Yep. First house we bought over in the state capital was a small decent duplex in an older 'white flight' neighborhood. This means as the elderly population in the neighborhood died off the absentee heirs rented to whoever because near nobody would buy there. I think the Black Panthers shooting a cop in a siege of their site gave the whole neighborhood a bad name, but that had been the only scary incident in the neighborhood's history. Population was mostly elderly white owners, maybe 10% younger, qualified black owners, 10% poorer black and white renters. Anyhow we were poor. We applied our life savings of $1,000 and a month's sweat equity to qualify for a FHA 3% down loan, and bought it for $15,000. We made the right choice, rent from the other side of the duplex covered all our housing cost and that was the beginning of 40 years putting part of our paychecks into accumulating savings and investments. And the neighborhood wasn't scary. Our black and white new neighbors who owned, stopped by to say our purchase was a good sign the decline of property values had turned around and now their property values would hopefully turn up. Ok, we bought it for $15,000 during a time that was tense nationally, but not in our little neighborhood. I see that duplex is presently on the market, listed at $298,000. Zillow's rough estimate of value based on comparables is $387,000. Yes, California seems to come back.
yeah, got to remember a $350k home in Oakland looks like a shack. Not sure why anyone would live like that...at that price, I wouldn't live in Oakland at any price, I would walk or crawl out of there if I had too. Crazy. HS.
 
/ California #297  
I suspect the poor suckers living in those now, are the tech employees in San Francisco who don't earn enough to live in San Francisco.
A $850k apartment in SF is a dive, you'ed bump into yourself it's so small. No thanks. HS
 
/ California #299  
yeah, got to remember a $350k home in Oakland looks like a shack. Not sure why anyone would live like that...at that price, I wouldn't live in Oakland at any price, I would walk or crawl out of there if I had too. Crazy. HS.
I hear you but some folks are tied by their family, job, etc. Easy to say, 'just leave'. Not so easily done for everyone. Some don't have the genes, means, or greens to relocate.
Others... believe it or not, may like what you don't.
 
/ California #300  
Population is growing and homes have more than doubled in value... so the demand can't be disputed.

I've never lived anywhere in the city with bad neighbors... didn't matter what race... most are simply doing the best they can for their families... and most were homeowners.

Not that it really matters but here are two examples of East Oakland homes to illustrate the market...

The first is a 1100 square feet 1922 Craftsman Bungalow on a 5,000 lot that sold for 350k

The second is a 1550 square feet 1960 home on 1/2 acre that sold for 600k
 

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