Chains and binders

   / Chains and binders #31  
Mike,

Yeah, I searched the WI site too and only found the log deal. But, there are a LOT of log trucks in the northern half of the state.

I saved the fed link you provided (thanks). Guess it means I am legal! That's good as they are getting pretty nozy around here.

jb
 
   / Chains and binders #32  
I think regulations for hauling logs far preceeded DOT and have been on the books for many years.
 
   / Chains and binders #33  
Thanks Mike. I agree that the G70 being required as the ONLY LEGAL transport chain is a myth. I wear my seatbelt too.

I suppose there are those who insist that you must check the torque on your lugnuts with each drive of your car.

While I see that straps or even rope seem to be legal for binding I would advise against the use of straps on wheeled vehicles due to their rapid decomposition with exposure to sublight, mud, and fraying. I have gone through nylon (or whatever they're made of) tie downs in the motorcycle world due to fray.

My G43 chain has a chrome looking coating that seems to be holding up just fine to year round exposure to the elements.
 
   / Chains and binders #34  
Okay, I just got my tractor home using straps and can vouch that straps are not going to get it done. The front strap broke twice and the rear strap broke once. I was very lucky to make it home with the tractor.

I was looking at harbor freight and they have 5,400lb ratcheting load binders for 3/8" chain but the only grade 70 chain they carry is 5/16". The rating on 5/16" grade 70 chain is plenty for my tractor, but I'm not sure a 3/8" rachet will work with 5/16" chain or will it?

I can't find any grade 70 chain anywhere else in town.

Thanks, Nathan
 
   / Chains and binders #35  
A 3/8" binder will work with 5/16" chain. All of my chain is grade 70 5/16" and all of my binders are 3/8".
 
   / Chains and binders #36  
My local TSC store sells grade 70 chain and so does our Lowes lumber yard.
 
   / Chains and binders #37  
I almost don't bother to post facts on chain and binders anymore because most people here simply want to find someone else to agree with them that going cheap and using unacceptable and unsafe binding materials is okay. I'm sure that you'd find someone here who will rather strongly advise that using your parking brake would be plenty as long as you lock it in four wheel drive. However, since you have not been here for very long, I won't group you with those. As you likely noticed, nylon straps are under no circumstances acceptable to attach a tractor to a trailer. Fraying, sunlight, degrading etc. has positively nothing to do with them not being safe. They will not hold your load, period.

Any grade of chain will be better than nylon straps; period. Also, they do grade chain for a reason. It is not marketing strategy or just for fun. It's sort of like using the right tool for the job. You know, you can likely take nuts off of your tractor with vice grips, but there is a more appropriate tool you can use to do the job properly and it won't really cost you any more. If you don't care if your tractor exits off the rear of your trailer, don't bother using anything at all. If you do care about your tractor, I'd rather strongly suggest you use the right tool for the job. The great thing is that the right tool for the job won't cost you even $50 more than the wrong tool.

If you have a Tractor Supply, Rural King, Lowes, or Home Depot store in your area, you can likely buy some 3/8" grade 70 chain to go along with your 3/8" binders you found. Will the 5/16" grade 70 chain work? Most likely. But, for about $10 more, wouldn't you rather do it right? Heck, you can probably save another $10 from the grade 70 5/16" and get 3/8" grade 30 chain. It too will probably work. It all depends on what you want to accomplish. Since I nearly lost my tractor early last year off of my trailer due to my own stupidity, I took it upon myself to research the subject and buy the proper binding materials since my tractor is worth more than $100. Even if it were not, I'd rather not have to worry about killing someone else because I wanted to save $10.

I don't mean to sound sarcastic, but the laws of physics don't really change much nor do the laws of averages. I posted the physics and equations earlier to enable you to calculate the strength of binding material you should need when taking into consideration the flexing of a 10k and smaller trailer. That equation is not good for figuring the size needed to keep your tractor on your trailer in the case of an accident. I found the equations for that that where you simply enter the weight of your tractor and the speed of the crash. I won't bother to post it here though. No need. Those who want to be safe will and those who want to save $10 will not. At least you are smarter than I was, and you are asking about what material to use. There is plenty of good advice and plenty of bad advice. It's simply your mission to decide which is which and do what you feel best. Either way, you're ahead of the curve for doing your research and asking questions. Good luck!
 
   / Chains and binders #38  
"I was looking at harbor freight and they have 5,400lb ratcheting load binders for 3/8" chain but the only grade 70 chain they carry is 5/16". The rating on 5/16" grade 70 chain is plenty for my tractor, but I'm not sure a 3/8" rachet will work with 5/16" chain or will it?"

That is the exact reason I ended up with 3/8" G43 chain. I already had the G70 5/16" in the cart but the binders said 3/8" and I didn't know for certain that the smaller chain wouldn't get crushed by the binders.

Bummer your straps broke. Lots of folks use them but it seems they break alot. I haven't heard of chain breaking the same way. I prefer you not use straps anyway.

You could kill a grandma, a family, blah blah blah. Good advice and bad advice seems to be in the eye of the beholder. The law is pretty clear on using WLL for tie down selection and not someone's pet preference.
 
   / Chains and binders #39  
I found some 3/8" grade 70 chain at a local tool supply store for $36.95 for 20' with hooks. The 5/16" grade 70 chain at Harbor Freight is $23.99 for 20' with hooks.

Harbor Freight as a 3/8" rachet binder rated at 9,200lbs for $19.99 I might get it instead of the one rated for 5,400lbs for $15.99.

Looks like I can go for overkill with the 3/8" grade 70 and the 9,200lb rated binders for $113.88 or skimp a little and get the 5/16" grade 70 chain and the 5,400lb rated binders for $79.96. That's $33.92 and not much more than the price of the completely worthless straps that I used on the haul home. Either one is WAY better than straps!! I will probably go for the overkill and get the 3/8" chain and the heavy duty binders.

I actually didn't buy the tie down straps, the guy I bought the tractor from bought them for me but the were a complete waste of $28.94!
 
   / Chains and binders #40  
I bought two 5/16 x 20 grade 70 chains with hooks yeasteday. Both of these chains had 3/8 hooks on them. BTW, Harbor Freight has these chains for $16.99 and boomers for $11.99 until March 27, I think was the right date.
 
 

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