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   / chinese maybe!!! #41  
Just go read the Chinese tractor forum, and a few other Chinese tractor forums before you purchase one. That way you will have more of an idea of what you are getting into.

This post has been repeated (substance, not verbatim) several times in this thread...and for potential buyers of off brand tractors (Chinese or elsewhere), it's a darn good idea!
 
   / chinese maybe!!! #42  
Well -- John Deere makes tractors there -- and according to another thread they are the "Cadillac of tractors" -- I don't think there are any "American tractor brands" any more are there?

Sure JD is in China, but from what I've read, the tractors they make there are sold in Asia, not brought back here. JD is a world company that originated in USA with plants in dozens of countries.

My problem with buying from a Chinese origin company is they do so much to screw America in so many ways (economically, militarily and politically) that I'd rather give my money to foreign countries that screw us to a smaller degree.
 
   / chinese maybe!!! #43  
Not having owned one I can't say either way if you have to tinker with them or not. i know on the antiques / classics i own.. once you get them running right.. IE.. fix them right.. they don't need any hand holding. When i want to move hay rounds, I go turnt he gas on on my 1955 ford 850, turn the key, and hit the start button. same for my 54 naa, 55 660, 55 740 and 63 4000, 68 3000 or 75 5000 ( those are the units I currently have regular use for ). As long as the battery is up ( ie.. I've run it in the last few months ).. then they start.. no hand holding.. no didgiting.. just jump on, twist a few knobs and switches and go.

I wouldn't have paind 14K for a non working unit with loader either. I can get a classic ford with loader at that hp for half that money...

soundguy

And you do point out something that is important; just because it was made in China doesn't mean it's junk. They are very capable of building to spec. If given tight tolerances and very specific manufacturing guidelines, they can produce amazingly high quality items. However, when left to produce based on price alone...well, that's where they get the well deserved bad reputation. Since I mentioned I haven't the time to tinker with them, I've never spent more time looking into them. If, however, there was a brand that just needed the fluids flushed and a few manufacturing rough areas corrected but the rest of the machine was on par with the vintage machines you talk of, sure, they could be great workhorses that could very likely outlast their owners. I just don't know enough about the specifics of them and my time has passed where I have time/interest.
 
   / chinese maybe!!! #44  
My problem with buying from a Chinese origin company is they do so much to screw America in so many ways (economically, militarily and politically) that I'd rather give my money to foreign countries that screw us to a smaller degree.

Yep...but "we" (meaning certain people in "high" places, especially one former president whose wife is currently employed) let them screw us...

And, chinese products, at this point in time, have several quality issues. For Wal-Mart and Harbor Freight stuff...throwaway stuff...their quality is acceptable. Chinese steel quality is rock bottom. You get what you pay for. For more durable products, there are better choices.
But, if a person knows what they're getting into and is willing to do their own work and wait for parts...well, then they make their choice.

Speaking of chinese tractors...there are some good deals on Craigslist (York and Lancaster, PA) now. I saw one low hour Farmtrac on CL for well under $5K and I don't think it was a scam.
 
   / chinese maybe!!! #45  
Most of the major brands of Chinese tractors such as Jinma and Foton if put together properly and fluids flushed along with proper prep they can be a good buy. Where Chinese tractors get a bad name in my experience is when crate units are bought and put together by the owners. A good dealer, not a guy selling them out of a used car lot or a pole barn behind his house is key. My tractor has be very reliable and is dead simple. Its like buying a new 40 year old tractor. Its built much like my Ford 861.

As for parts the major brands are well represented in the US and parts are cheap and quick to get. I have found that the 4 things I have needed like a starter, steering cylinder, thermostat housing, and top link were all in stock and to my door in 3 days. I have waited weeks for parts for my Ford 861 tractor.

Chris
 
   / chinese maybe!!! #46  
I've heard the same.. IE.. they can build hi quality if you pay for it and give them the specs.

soundguy

And you do point out something that is important; just because it was made in China doesn't mean it's junk. They are very capable of building to spec. If given tight tolerances and very specific manufacturing guidelines, they can produce amazingly high quality items. However, when left to produce based on price alone...well, that's where they get the well deserved bad reputation. Since I mentioned I haven't the time to tinker with them, I've never spent more time looking into them. If, however, there was a brand that just needed the fluids flushed and a few manufacturing rough areas corrected but the rest of the machine was on par with the vintage machines you talk of, sure, they could be great workhorses that could very likely outlast their owners. I just don't know enough about the specifics of them and my time has passed where I have time/interest.
 
   / chinese maybe!!! #47  
Sure JD is in China, but from what I've read, the tractors they make there are sold in Asia, not brought back here. JD is a world company that originated in USA with plants in dozens of countries.
That could be true -- they are probably just making the transmission for those tractors in China and assembling them in Mexico or India:eek:
Just reinforcing the point that there really is no "American tractor brand " anymore. -
 
   / chinese maybe!!! #48  
That could be true -- they are probably just making the transmission for those tractors in China and assembling them in Mexico or India:eek:
Just reinforcing the point that there really is no "American tractor brand " anymore. -

I have found just the opposite in my "foreign" New Holland backhoe. I service it myself and many times find American built assemblies (transmission & driveline is made in USA by Dana/Spicer). The backhoe was assembled in Italy.
My japanese built Kubota has American loader, tires and other parts on it.

I'd doubt JD makes tractor transmissions in China.....
 
   / chinese maybe!!! #50  
I'd doubt JD makes tractor transmissions in China.....
There you go with that doubting thing again -- read their website -- you will find all kinds of information about where they do things -- including making trannys in China and assembly of tractors in Mexico. They don't actually make anything in Canada any more -- guess they would rather deal with countries that screw the U.S. Although not as revealing you might also look at the Dana site -- they must be doing something in those 26 countries(including China).
And by the way, my Chinese tractor is made by an Indian owned company with an American loader.
 

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