Chinese Tractors Aren't Worth the Risk

[yaouk]

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I think you being a bit tough.
There would be some controversy if I proclaimed that "US tractors are not worth the risk". With a population base of 250m and all the different makes, models and designs in that country it doesn't take much thought to realise that generalising is unfair.

China has a poulation base of over 1 billion people. Draw the analogy.

Broad acusatory statements without evidence don't add much to your point. Even tractors are inncocent until proven guilty.
(Italian cars on the other hand are a different story...sorry)

 

[Inspector507]

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Chris,
I considered a ShenNiu at one point, but could never get the dealer to respond by e-mail or by phone. Too bust selling his other line I guess. To see one I would have had to drive 200 miles, but was willing to, to get a new tractor 4WD for $5250. He lists them all as demo's so he wouldn't get in trouble with his main supplier. I settled for a Yanmar 17HP for much less though.

 

[Inspector507]

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Here's a pic of the ShenNiu........not as good looking as the JinMa or NorTrac

 

[JohnS]

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I'll admit that I might not have took a second look at a Jinma if it still had the ancient looking boxy metal hood. Proof that looks sells. But when you get down to just its day to day function and what will sustain greater abuse, the metal hood and fenders are hard to beat.

 

[marrt]

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While I agree on the sub-statement "express and defend their position.", you KNEW that your post would provoke others, and by your own statement of "open discourse often leads to a deeper understanding..." in my mind, it removes any doubt that you were just asking for a confrontation. So yes, I am quite suspect of your true motivations.

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Well, if I wrote my post to provoke a confrontation and “stir the pot,” I must be very happy right now as I certainly would have accomplished that goal. If you thought my comments were disingenuous and designed to provoke a response….then why respond? You would be giving me what I apparently wanted. Better to keep quite and frustrate me.

I have found that people who come on the site strictly to make an accusation and start an argument a) don’t usually register and post a wide variety of comments and b) don’t research the topic and but forth a reasonably well articulated argument. Usually, they just make an inflaming remark and disappear into the distance to watch the fun. But, to use your logic above, if “open discourse” means that I am “provoke[ing] others,” and “asking for a confrontation”…then so be it.

 

[marrt]

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The factory pictures on my website that you refer to, is the old Jinma factory. All tractors being made today are coming from the new factory which you can see on the next page.

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I saw the pictures of the new factory. But I am concerned about your comment that “all tractors being made today are coming from the new factory…” I not challenging you, but you know for a fact that ALL tractors being made today are coming from the new factory? If so, what did they do with the old factory? My experience is that most companies expand production to a new factory, but keep the old factory going as well.

 

[Tractors4u]

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I might as well throw my 2 cents in as well. I think that the Chinese tractors have potential. They have probably come a long way in the last 20 years, but I don't think that they are anywhere near the the quality of a domestic brands with the Japanese engines or the quality of a grey market Japanese tractor. I think that their potential is lying dorment right now. At this time most of the China tractor dealers are very small dealers. Now suppose someone went over to China and struck a deal for 5000 Jinmas. They could probably sway the manufacturer to make some needed changes to bring the quality up to where it could and should be. I don't think the smaller dealers have the pull to make that happen. I wonder how many Nortracs Northern Hydraulics sells in a year? Maybe they could start a trend. No I do not own a Chinese tractor. I have looked at them closely though. But for now they aren't for me.

 

[RanchMan]

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marrt-

<font color=blue>Well, if I wrote my post to provoke a confrontation and “stir the pot,” I must be very happy right now as I certainly would have accomplished that goal.</font color=blue>

Yes. I bet you are quite pleased with yourself - although I suspect the direction is a bit different than you initially anticipated.

<font color=blue>If you thought my comments were disingenuous and designed to provoke a response….then why respond? You would be giving me what I apparently wanted. </font color=blue>

I did not respond for your pleasure or to "give you what you want" but:
1) To point out to others who were not aware of your pattern of behavior that seems to be developing,
2) To defend my points as to your reply.

<font color=blue>Better to keep quite and frustrate me.</font color=blue>

I think you were wanting to "start something" with the Chinese tractor owners and perhaps weren't expecting someone to "call your bluff." No, I have a feeling I might be "frustrating" you just fine by "calling it as I see it." And by your condescending tone, sounds to me like you would prefer me to be "quiet".

<font color=blue>I have found that people who come on the site strictly to make an accusation and start an argument a) don’t usually register and post a wide variety of comments </font color=blue>

OK, so you've registered - can't disagree with that.
So far I'm only aware of 2 threads where you appear to "start something" - would I classify that as a "wide variety" no, but I see a pattern developing.

<font color=blue>b) don’t research the topic and but forth a reasonably well articulated argument.</font color=blue>

Look back at my earlier statement - I NEVER TOOK A POSITION as to the "accuracy" or "inaccuracy" of your "observations." (It's even possible that I might actually AGREE on some of them /w3tcompact/icons/shocked.gif) I've said multiple times on TBN that "every tractor has its +'s and -'s ", so, once again, my comments have NOTHING to do with your "observations" in and of themselves.

What I said is your presentation (on this thread and the "Kioti isn't worth the risk" thread) was the problem. If you really wanted to "educate" others and "draw out" real issues associated with Chinese tractors (or Kioti, or whatever other brand), you'd have taken a different tack -- one with far less "vinegar."

<font color=blue> Usually, they just make an inflaming remark and disappear into the distance to watch the fun.</font color=blue>

Hmmm... /w3tcompact/icons/hmm.gif YOU actually state <font color=red>"Well, I asked my original question some time ago and it didn’t get much of a response. I only checked back recently and was surprised to see all the comments."</font color=red> in the post "Kioti isn't worth the risk" - sounds to me that "disappear into the distance to watch the fun" is EXACTLY what you did there.

<font color=blue>But, to use your logic above, if “open discourse” means that I am “provoke[ing] others,” and “asking for a confrontation”…then so be it. </font color=blue>

At least you are admitting it now....

 

[JohnS]

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Well you are correct, I didn't make a trip over there to varify what the exporter told me. Since it came from numerous sources, I expect it to be true. I think it has more weight than your assumption. As far as what they are doing with the old factory, I don't know if I care. Maybe they are manufacturing antique Ford 8N parts, that can be sold at reasonable prices at TSC's. /w3tcompact/icons/wink.gif

PS: Take offline in email if you wish to "discuss" further.

 

[Tractor_Barn]

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A little knowledge is a dangerous thing.

Vince