cold starting

5030 · May 13, 2016

Ranchofla said:
LOL... a Deere and Kubota owner duke'in it out in a Koiti forum......

Rancho.. livin south of I-10 wondering what this warm up issue is....

Nothing to 'duke out' IMO. I stated what the manual said exactly, Nothing more. I just happened to have the M9 manual out on the desk, was looking up something.

people get strange ideas and then post them on a public forum and it's supposed to be gospel... It isn't.

I'll go by the owners manual over opinion, anyday.

buickanddeere · May 13, 2016

5030 said:
Low viscosity 'Winter Hydraulic oil'??? You have to be kidding me.....again. care to post an example of that? In as much as most hydraulic fluid is already low viscosity I', patently curious.....

You not aware of Low Viscosity Hy-Gard

5030 · May 13, 2016

buickanddeere said:
You not aware of Low Viscosity Hy-Gard

No, I'm not. I use Chevron Synthetic THF.

buickanddeere · May 14, 2016

After re-reading the operator's manuals for the 1640 & 435 . I am going to have to eat some crow. Above 0F JD recommends 2 minutes of medium speed idle before use.
Somewhere I read in a JD manual somewhere about no excess idling to warmup and to operate the tractor a gear lower without labouring until temperatures had risen to near normal.
We must differentiate however those operators who use glow plugs,intake manifold heaters or ether to hammer a stone cold diesel to life. vs those of use who plug in a block heater and start a pre-warmed engine.

buickanddeere · May 14, 2016

5030 said:
No, I'm not. I use Chevron Synthetic THF.

I purchase the Amsoil Synthetic Tractor Hydraulic/Transmission Oil SAE 5W-30. It's a real synthetic rather than a refined mineral oil. The Amsoil product exceeds the following specs.

AGCO/Deutz-Allis/Allis-Chalmers – PowerFluid PF-821 XL, 25741, 246634
AGCO White Farm (Oliver) – Q-1826, Q-1802, Q-1766B (UTHF), Q-1766, Q-1722, Q-1705, Type 55
Allison – C4, C3, C2
API GL-4
Case New Holland (CNH) – MAT 3505 (MS-1209), MS-1207 (Hy-Tran® Plus), MAT 3506 (MS-1210) (TCH Fluid JIC-145), MAT 3509 (MS-1230, M2C48C), Poclain Equipment high pressure systems, MAT 3525 (FNHA-2-C-201.00, M2C134D), MAT 3526 (FNHA-2-C-200.00 winter grade), MAT 3510 (MS-1317, GL-4), B-6, MS-1206 (PTF), MS-1205 (TFD-II), MS-1204 (TFD), JIC-185, JIC-144, JIC-143, B-5, M2C86B/C, M2C53A, M2C41B, M2CA/B/C, ESN-M2C77A, ESN-M2C41B, ESNM2C43, ESN-M2C48B/C, ESN-M2C53A/B, ESN-142A, ESN-M2C143, ESN-M2C92A, ESN-M2C159A/B/C, Renk-Doromat 873 or 874A/B Bus Automatic Transmission Fluid, Valtractores
Caterpillar – TO-2
Clark – TA 12, TA 18, HR 500, HR 600
Dresser CED – Trans/Hyd Fluid
Deutz-Allis – 25743, 272843
Deutz-Fahr
Sperry Vickers/Eaton – I-286-S, M-2950-S
Fendt (Non-Vario)
Fiat-Hesston – AF-87
Ford – ESN M2C86B, M2C86C, Fiat requiring M2C134D, FNHA-2-C-201.00
John Deere – J20C, J20D (winter grade), J14A/B/C, JDT303, J20A/B, J121A
Komatsu
Kubota – UDT/M80B
Landini – Tractor Hydraulic Fluid
Massey-Ferguson – M-1141 (Permatran® 821 XL, Formerly Permatran ® III), M-1110, M-1127A/B, M-1129A, M-1135, M-1138, M-1139, M-1143, M-1145
Parker Denison – HF-0, HF-1, HF-2
Sauer Sundstrand/Danfoss – Hydrostatic Transmission Fluid
Steiger – HTF (SEMS 17001)
Volvo – VCE 1273.03, WB101
Versatile – Recommended for use in Valmet, New Idea Power Units, Leyland Belarus, Specs 23M & 24M
ZF – TE-ML 03E, TE-ML 05F, TE-ML 06K, TE-ML 17E