Comments/Questions following purchase of 2310D

BruceT · Nov 7, 2005

Thanks again to all who responded to my earlier questions on this machine -2310D. After picking it up this weekend I have a couple more questions/comments:

1. Types of Manuals available?... Shop, Parts, Operator - and best place to find them... http://hoyetractor.com/?

2. Noticed the PTO shaft free spins in PTO neutral.. No torque though, can be stopped w/ 1 hand. Some PTO systems have neutral adjustments for this. All 4 PTO ranges are fine. Any comments to free spinning?

3. Charging voltage appears to be unregulated (or if regulator present, then inop. Voltage floats upwards of 15vdc like the cheap lawn/yard tractors do. Does the 2310 in fact have an actual regulator for control of charge V+? Not concerned if no regulator present, as I can design one in easily. Alternator looks pretty tiny - found the full wave bridge rectifier in the wiring harness going into the firewall, and it appears to be low duty also, so I expect the charging amperage on this system to be quite small - under 10 amps?

4. The following sound correct? Hydraulic fluid PTO/trans reservoir takes Universal Tractor Fluid? Front tires 40psi and rear 20psi?

5. For those of you w/ 2310s, at what low temps do you have cold start problems? What start-up procedure do you use? No glow plugs on this unit, rather uses a chamber with heater wire? Would appreciate some more dialogue on this. Absent the manual I'm asking these dumb questions.

6. Also noticed there does not appear to be a check plug for identifying the min/max level for trans/PTO fluid. Refill cap on top of trans allows for visual into gear box, but no dipstick present. What level check do you use on the 2310?

captain71c · Nov 7, 2005

I have a 2310D and live in western Washington I assume that where you are from, so the starting issues would be the same.
Here is my two cents worth on your questions.
1. Mine came with manuals but I have heard that Hoyle tractor has complete sets. I have a parts and operators manual. The parts manual discriptions are not in english but the part numbers are. The operators manual has a basic service section.
2. The PTO spins due to friction of the cold oil, once the oil heats up it stops.
3. There is a voltage regulator on the fire wall upper left side. There is not an alternator as such but a dynamo(sp),It charges at 14 volts AC. Not a lot of amperage but seems to do the job. Mine holds a fairly constant voltage around 14 volts.
4. The manual says only Transmission-Hydraulic oil. No light weight hydraulic fluid. I think that universal tractor fluid is ok. The container I have from Cenex says it is approved for transmissions.
5. I have not had to use the heater as of yet except to play with it. Mine starts with out the heater in The upper 30 Degree range. I used the heater yesterday and didn't today It started about the same. It smoked slightly more with out the heater.
6. There should be a dipstick on the cap on top of the transmission case.

YanmarFever · Nov 7, 2005

Bruce,
I see you bought the vietnamese reconditioned machine, usually a dealer will supply their customers with free manuals. I would call your dealer back & ask him for a set (for free) of course.
good luck Ernie

kenmac · Nov 7, 2005

You bought this vietnam rebuild knowing it had these problems ? /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

larso1 · Nov 8, 2005

What "problems"? I didn't see any "problems" in the above.

BruceT · Nov 8, 2005

kenmac writes >>You bought this vietnam rebuild knowing it had these problems ?

Thanks for the question Ken. No, as there is no instrumentation on a Yanmar that reveals an overcharge state, I determined this after the sale. It's actually something that is easily missed because the overcharge occurs only at higher engine speed, not at idle or even elevated idle, and because the dynamo is current limited anyway the symptom is load dependent. No problem - the dealer is replacing the regulator. Had I taken the DVM with me for an "all points check" on the electrical prior to purchase I would have discovered this earlier.

I did receive a helpful note from a fellow WA State forum member (captain71c ) who shared some genuinely helpful info on each of my other questions, and that is very much appreciated.

kenmac · Nov 8, 2005

Then you didn't read # 1 or # 3. PTO turns out of gear, voltage reg. not working properly or not installed. I would have had these things repaired b- 4 buying the tractor.(If purchased from a dealer.) I do hope all turns out ok for you as far as your dealer making all repairs for you. Good luck .

BruceT · Nov 8, 2005

Ken -

When I purchased this tractor I had no manuals. As for the PTO free spinning it was not doing so at the time (see response from captain71c) Third, I was not aware of the voltage regulator on the firewall, nor did I probe the electrical system with a DVM. Not all charging systems even use VRs. Many float the charging voltage off either magnetos or dynamos. Yes, the dealer is making good on replacing the VR.

I'm not sure I understand the point you're expressing.

California · Nov 8, 2005

</font><font color="blue" class="small">( I'm not sure I understand the point you're expressing. )</font>

You will discover there are some members here who are concerned about the quality of the VN 'new, rebuilt' tractors as well as the quality of dealer prep performed by the importers.

My own opinion is that buying one of these is somewhat of a gamble, but with the odds good enough to make it well worth the gamble. The posts here indicate that nearly all customers get fair value perhaps needing to do some minor final finishing like your VR. These aren't new tractors, they are old ones tested and repainted, suitable mainly for the customer (you included) who already knows enough to perform minor troubleshooting on unfamiliar equipment.

Occasionally someone posts that they were badly ripped off because the tractor had expensive faults and the dealer says tough luck. I think that is a real risk, one that the customer should consider in determining how much to pay. You would face the same risk buying non-reconditioned equipment of similar age at auction or from a used equipment dealer.

I think one indicator of a dealer who doesn't have his heart into after-sales service is not including manuals. It seems like a clear message that the new owner is on his own to figure out operation and maintenance.

Then the new owner comes here, and those dealers who do provide manuals and advice are asked to provide information that the selling dealer didn't provide. No wonder they add a few digs at their competitor who made an incomplete sale.

Anyhow, I expect your unit will turn out to be everything you hoped it would be. Welcome to the community of Yanmar owners!

BruceT · Nov 8, 2005

>> I think one indicator of a dealer who doesn't have his heart into after-sales service is not including manuals. It seems like a clear message that the new owner is on his own to figure out operation and maintenance.

California - thank you for the welcome to the forum. Point above well taken. No argument there. Had my schedule and location offered other options I would have taken the time to follow-up on some of the sincere suggestions made by this forum to consider other choices.

I'm happy to share the good and the bad on this, which can only serve everyone better in making their source selections. thanks again.