Consolidation and Rebranding

[Cahaba Valley Farm]

Tim points out all the rebranding and consolidation that is occurring with compact tractors these days. He raises awareness about the inherent risks that will follow this trend.

 

[CloverKnollFarms]

I sorta went out on a limb with the Branson/TYM 4820. It just seemed to have much better quality than the T494… I took the chance. I’m not worried that TYM will cease, but models and parts could always be in flux.

 

[Cahaba Valley Farm]

I sorta went out on a limb with the Branson/TYM 4820. It just seemed to have much better quality than the T494… I took the chance. I’m not worried that TYM will cease, but models and parts could always be in flux.

Clever, I think you found a good one. I'm going to be looking forward to more pictures of your tractor and the jobs you will be doing with it.

 

[Hay Dude]

McCormick Tractors made by Argo SpA in Italy.
Kubotas early larger tractor attempts were made in Italy.

 

[DaBear3428]

the problem with that guy is that he bleads green and does not like anything made by Mahindra, otherwise he is entertaining.

 

[5030]

Why I have always had Kubota's. Good dealer close by and they hold their value as well. I've had at least a dozen now. All good.

 

[2manyrocks]

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[5030]

Not mine. Both of my M9's came in a container from Japan. Kubota don't build the bigger ones here. In fact I waited 4 months for one of them.

 

[Cahaba Valley Farm]

the problem with that guy is that he bleads green and does not like anything made by Mahindra, otherwise he is entertaining.

It's true that he is on team green but I can say from having conversations with him over the years he is honest and objective enough to admit when green is not the better choice.

 

[buckeyefarmer]

I can’t watch Tim.

 

[Slowpoke Slim]

I am certainly not "team green" but I watch Tim's videos and usually always come away with something valuable. I can appreciate his content. The "color" of the tractor is irrelevant, it's the work being done and the attachments that are being used that matter. Shame more people can't get past that. Haters gonna hate, I guess.

 

[DaBear3428]

It's true that he is on team green but I can say from having conversations with him over the years he is honest and objective enough to admit when green is not the better choice.

glad to see that you have a good relationship with him, but after watching the video where he stated to stay away from Mahindra because they rebrand other tractors as their own, at the same time he recommended john deere, new holland and others that have rebranded tractors in their lineup, I placed him in my for entertainment / attachments reviews only file. BTW my 5145 is a Mahindra design/manufactured tractor. I consider the engine to be as important as the frame so the JDs with others engines are the same as rebranding in my book.

 

[DaBear3428]

I am certainly not "team green" but I watch Tim's videos and usually always come away with something valuable. I can appreciate his content. The "color" of the tractor is irrelevant, it's the work being done and the attachments that are being used that matter. Shame more people can't get past that. Haters gonna hate, I guess.

not hating as i mentioned I like his videos for entertainment purposes but do not consider his input to be relevant / unbiased as it applies to my case.

 

[Cougsfan]

I am not sure what to think about that video. Their main point seems to say that if a manufacturer outsources any part of the supply of components for their tractor; that is a generally bad thing. You supposedly won't be able to find parts in the future.

First off; every manufacturer outsources some or all of their parts from outside sources, regardless of the color or brand of the tractor. Like it or not, that is how the tractor business works and will likely not change. It would make little business sense to make every component. Take alternators for example. If Mahindra made their own, it would probably be of lesser quality than an outsourced major alternator supplier. Making your own doesn't guarantee better quality or availability.

Secondly, it is extremely difficult for the average guy to find out the source of components of any tractor of any brand. Possibly the dealers or representatives will mislead you or flat out lie. But more likely, it is because the supply chain is so convoluted and constantly changing between different models of the same brand that they couldn't possibly keep up to date on it.

Thirdly, I do indeed think their are some tractors that are better than others, and parts are easier to find. I think those items go hand in hand. But the availability of parts is far more dependent on the number of units sold than weather or not components on the tractor are outsourced.

In the end, I think this is a good video to ignore.

 

[DaBear3428]

I am not sure what to think about that video. Their main point seems to say that if a manufacturer outsources any part of the supply of components for their tractor; that is a generally bad thing. You supposedly won't be able to find parts in the future.

First off; every manufacturer outsources some or all of their parts from outside sources, regardless of the color or brand of the tractor. Like it or not, that is how the tractor business works and will likely not change. It would make little business sense to make every component. Take alternators for example. If Mahindra made their own, it would probably be of lesser quality than an outsourced major alternator supplier. Making your own doesn't guarantee better quality or availability.

Secondly, it is extremely difficult for the average guy to find out the source of components of any tractor of any brand. Possibly the dealers or representatives will mislead you or flat out lie. But more likely, it is because the supply chain is so convoluted and constantly changing between different models of the same brand that they couldn't possibly keep up to date on it.

Thirdly, I do indeed think their are some tractors that are better than others, and parts are easier to find. I think those items go hand in hand. But the availability of parts is far more dependent on the number of units sold than weather or not components on the tractor are outsourced.

In the end, I think this is a good video to ignore.

good points also to be noted parts availability has more to do with how many manufactures use that part on their tractor, so rebranding can help, take LS and the NH CUT lineup, you can go down to NH and order parts for your LS without issue. IMO it is more important for your dealer to still be in business than any issues centered around rebranding. This kind of stuff out of Tim falls on deaf ears in my case.
He seams to have a hardon for Mahindra in particular IMO.

 

[sugarloafguy]

Somewhere along the line they missed the fact that Mahindra owns the controlling interest in Mitsubishi AG that builds most of their compact tractors. Would not be surprised to see CNH build their own compacts down the road.

Brian.

 

[Cahaba Valley Farm]

glad to see that you have a good relationship with him, but after watching the video where he stated to stay away from Mahindra because they rebrand other tractors as their own, at the same time he recommended john deere, new holland and others that have rebranded tractors in their lineup, I placed him in my for entertainment / attachments reviews only file.

Tim never stated to stay away from Mahindra. That's putting words in his mouth. He was raising awareness that rebranding in general can cause parts availability issues as the years go by.

 

[Cahaba Valley Farm]

Somewhere along the line they missed the fact that Mahindra owns the controlling interest in Mitsubishi AG that builds most of their compact tractors. Would not be surprised to see CNH build their own compacts down the road.

Brian.

Mahindra refused to talk to them, that's on Mahindra.

 

[Cahaba Valley Farm]

I am not sure what to think about that video. Their main point seems to say that if a manufacturer outsources any part of the supply of components for their tractor; that is a generally bad thing. You supposedly won't be able to find parts in the future.

That's not what Tim was saying.

 

[Cougsfan]

That's not what Tim was saying.

Then please enlighten me. What do you think was the point of this video.