cost of adding rear remotes and 3rd function

   / cost of adding rear remotes and 3rd function #11  
I normally recommend the OEM valves whenever they are the integrated type. Basically impossible to match that cleanliness with aftermarket valves. But all do it yourself set ups are not bulky, cluttered and not user friendly. Have you guys looked at what some of these guys are doing now days? Pretty darn nice if you ask me, actually quite a bit nicer than what the OEM valves are for some of these tractors. One of the HUGE pluses for the aftermarket valves is that you have a wider variety of types of valves to choose from and a lot of the time you can spend less money and get a better quality valve than what the OEM valve offerings are.

And something else, what other choice does a person have if the OEM options are not adequate to get you the type or amount of valves that may be needed.

All things to be considered. ;)
 
   / cost of adding rear remotes and 3rd function
  • Thread Starter
#12  
Okay I get what you are saying about doing the install myself and saving $$. I am not against this at all. What I am missing though is the rest of the stuff I am going to need. I know I can source the hoses locally but what am I going to need to hook them to on the tractor side? What kind of fittings do I need for the rear remotes? Also what are the advantages of having float in the rear remotes? I understand the float function on the loader and the 3pt but I am not sure of the application in my rear remotes. I am not sure I am going to get a TnT kit, however, I do want to run a wood splitter and maybe have some hydraulic scarifiers on a Box blade. I am sure onve I have the hydros there will be lots of options.

Basically just wanting to know the steps/parts that aren't being listed. Thank all of you for everything so far.

Also I don't seem to have a lot of faith that what I am asking for from the dealer and what he is quoting me for are the same thing. He just keeps saying 2 position valves on the rear remotes, and I want to make sure they are going to do what I want.
 
   / cost of adding rear remotes and 3rd function #13  
Okay I get what you are saying about doing the install myself and saving $$. I am not against this at all. What I am missing though is the rest of the stuff I am going to need. I know I can source the hoses locally but what am I going to need to hook them to on the tractor side? What kind of fittings do I need for the rear remotes? Also what are the advantages of having float in the rear remotes? I understand the float function on the loader and the 3pt but I am not sure of the application in my rear remotes. I am not sure I am going to get a TnT kit, however, I do want to run a wood splitter and maybe have some hydraulic scarifiers on a Box blade. I am sure onve I have the hydros there will be lots of options.

Basically just wanting to know the steps/parts that aren't being listed. Thank all of you for everything so far.

Also I don't seem to have a lot of faith that what I am asking for from the dealer and what he is quoting me for are the same thing. He just keeps saying 2 position valves on the rear remotes, and I want to make sure they are going to do what I want.

This thread, and the ("learning") thread that it links to, will answer a lot of your questions. http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/hydraulics/232020-how-i-added-rear-remote.html

I had the exact same questions when I started. :D
 
   / cost of adding rear remotes and 3rd function #14  
I myself would rather have the factory look over the diy look even at the price difference.... but that's just me.

And the ease of use with everything being in the right spot.

I'm not opposed to a "build your own". I understand it and have the capability to do it myself. But not as neatly and orderly as factory. And as I said before, after pulling that lever or pushing that button several thousand times, price becomes secondary, ease of use becomes paramount.
 
   / cost of adding rear remotes and 3rd function #15  
I normally recommend the OEM valves whenever they are the integrated type. Basically impossible to match that cleanliness with aftermarket valves. But all do it yourself set ups are not bulky, cluttered and not user friendly. Have you guys looked at what some of these guys are doing now days? Pretty darn nice if you ask me, actually quite a bit nicer than what the OEM valves are for some of these tractors. One of the HUGE pluses for the aftermarket valves is that you have a wider variety of types of valves to choose from and a lot of the time you can spend less money and get a better quality valve than what the OEM valve offerings are.

And something else, what other choice does a person have if the OEM options are not adequate to get you the type or amount of valves that may be needed.

All things to be considered. ;)

I agree Brian. Especially if the factory options do not offer what's needed.

As to the "build your own" installs. I've not personally saw one that I would consider as orderly as factory. But there may be some out there. Maybe one of those guys can post some pics to give the OP the confidence that it can be done.
 
   / cost of adding rear remotes and 3rd function #16  
Okay I get what you are saying about doing the install myself and saving $$. I am not against this at all. What I am missing though is the rest of the stuff I am going to need. I know I can source the hoses locally but what am I going to need to hook them to on the tractor side? What kind of fittings do I need for the rear remotes? Also what are the advantages of having float in the rear remotes? I understand the float function on the loader and the 3pt but I am not sure of the application in my rear remotes. I am not sure I am going to get a TnT kit, however, I do want to run a wood splitter and maybe have some hydraulic scarifiers on a Box blade. I am sure onve I have the hydros there will be lots of options.

Basically just wanting to know the steps/parts that aren't being listed. Thank all of you for everything so far.

Also I don't seem to have a lot of faith that what I am asking for from the dealer and what he is quoting me for are the same thing. He just keeps saying 2 position valves on the rear remotes, and I want to make sure they are going to do what I want.

If you plan to keep this tractor for a long period of time, and if you plan to use the hydraulics you are buying, it becomes critical to get what you need, setup in a manner that you want/like.

I think everyone in this discussion will agree, you can't have too much hydraulics on a tractor. Also, your needs will grow and if you shortcut now, you'll be disappointed later.

Here's my opinion of ideal rear remotes. No less than three.

One SCV (self canceling valve) to use with hydraulic lift pull type implements such as a wheeled disc or field cultivator. Also can be used powering a 3pt splitter without having to use a bungee cord to hold the valve open as you would with a 2 position valve. My boxblade has hydraulic scarifiers which are ran by the SCV which works very slick.

Two float valves. These will be your multiple use valves and will be used the most. Mine are normally plugged into my TnT. I use the top link in float most of the time when using my 3pt brush cutter. Also use the side link in float when using a Boxblade and wanting to follow the contour of the terrain.

Plan for maximum use of your hydraulics!!!

As to what your dealer is selling you. Take a little time and sharpen your hydraulic knowledge so you can logically talk to the dealer/salesman about all this. Know the difference in a 2 position valve, a float valve and a SCV valve. If the salesman seems ignorant about it, talk to the mechanic in their shop. But find someone there that can answer these question so you know exactly what you are getting.

As to build your own. Look this tractor over carefully. Where would you mount the valves/levers? Where are the factory levers located? How will you run the plumbing? Is there space for all this on the fender or wherever you would choose to mount? If all you see is problems with a build your own location, then you better go factory regardless of price or you will be disappointed in the end result.

Good luck with your choices and keep us posted!!!
 
   / cost of adding rear remotes and 3rd function #17  
Here's a spread sheet of the parts required to install a true third function.
I just installed this on my L4240 for grapple control.
All of the mounting plates I custom made. I'll be doing a write up on the installation soon.

I tried to order this installed at the dealer but the factory kit was on back order for months.
The dealer was going to charge $900 installed. The Kubota kit is a really nice kit.
My installation cost for parts only was over $600.00
After you add my labor and fabrication my true cost is over a $1000.00.



FWIW I did order three factory rear remotes, two float and one two position spring center.
It's hard to say how much exactly they cost because the dealer rolled everything into one price.
I'd say they cost about $2000.00
The two float rear remotes are dedicated to the Top and Tilt.
The third rear remote will need to be split with a couple of diverter valves so that I can have three functions out of the one valve.
Eventually the grader blade will have Hydraulic offset, angle and tilt.

I installed four remotes on my L3800 and that cost was around $1500.00 parts only. Installation and bracket fabrication all in my spare time.
Link here.
http://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/...g/208593-top-tilt-rear-remotes-installed.html

Spread Sheet Capture.png
 
   / cost of adding rear remotes and 3rd function #18  
I've documented my install pretty well here & think it's pretty good looking. Well, except for the TNT hoses on the back, still working on that, or would be if my shop was warmer.

I probably could have it done cheaper, but I think mine looks better than most installs. Don't underestimate the value of an education. I now know how my tractor works a lot better & have a far better understanding of hydraulics. I'm a nerd though & really enjoy educational projects that require a lot of research & learning.
 
   / cost of adding rear remotes and 3rd function #20  
Fallon, I scurried on over there, thinking you were done. Wanted to see pics of it all buttoned up. Imagine my disappointment.... :(:)
 

Tractor & Equipment Auctions

2015 Ford F-250 Knapheide Service Truck (A48081)
2015 Ford F-250...
2019 Allmand Light tower (A49461)
2019 Allmand Light...
Lot of Hydraulic Cylinders (A49346)
Lot of Hydraulic...
2017 FREIGHTLINER M2 BOX TRUCK (A50505)
2017 FREIGHTLINER...
2016 Kia Cadenza Sedan (A48082)
2016 Kia Cadenza...
2010 Toyota RAV4 Limited SUV (A48082)
2010 Toyota RAV4...
 
Top