Dead tractor - help!

[Soundguy]

That's hardly unique to Kubota. Every compact ever sold by Ford/New Holland is exactly the same as well as many, many larger FNH's. Few, if any Deeres have had separators.

An additional filter won't help if whatever is causing the blockage is too large to make it out of the tank. From what I am reading, I am not sure gelling is the issue so much as one or more large foreign particles in the tank.

I recalling have a fuel petcock/bleeder on my 1920?

What are we defining as a 'ford' compact? Is an 8n a ford compact? It has a seperator bowl? same with the 00/01 series units?

The NH canister filters that use the twist connect top that hav ethe black base with a petcock have water seperators bult in.. I'm sure those fit many models.

soundguy

 

[RickB]

I recalling have a fuel petcock/bleeder on my 1920?

What are we defining as a 'ford' compact? Is an 8n a ford compact? It has a seperator bowl? same with the 00/01 series units?

The NH canister filters that use the twist connect top that hav ethe black base with a petcock have water seperators bult in.. I'm sure those fit many models.

soundguy

What did you do, stub your toe on the way to the computer? You have been around too long for me to need to define "compact tractor" for you. The reference is to water separators on diesel tractors, which by your own description is a different and additional assembly than a fuel filter. No mention of petcocks or bleeders. You are just being argumentative.

 

[scott_vt]

What did you do, stub your toe on the way to the computer? You are just being argumentative.

Good Afternoon Rick,
Chris argumentative ??? Never !

 

[Soundguy]

What did you do, stub your toe on the way to the computer? You have been around too long for me to need to define "compact tractor" for you. The reference is to water separators on diesel tractors, which by your own description is a different and additional assembly than a fuel filter. No mention of petcocks or bleeders. You are just being argumentative.

well.. actually.. I wasn't trying to be argumentative or evasive on that one.. I was actually aiming for fair and realistic.

Since the 'CUT' designator is realitively new.. many people don't like to use it when refering to an old 8n or MF 35. Just for frame of reference, I was asking if you were considering the cut just based on size and hp.. or were meaning more like new tractors.

As for the fuel bowl.. as you know, on some models.. the only real ful filter was a set of screens and a seperator bowl. the bowl did double duty for settling heavy debri, and letting water find the low spot. While the fuel tap/bowl on my old fords is primarilly a 'filter' with a screen on top, and in the bowl ( and in the carb elbow).. I usually consider it a water seperator too, since it will function that way.

Honest there.. no argument intended.. way to tired for that these last few days. I've been pulling 20 +/- hour days for the last week almost.

Soundguy

 

[5030tinkerer]

I am not sure gelling is the issue so much as one or more large foreign particles in the tank.

I wonder if Rick is right. It was almost 60 out today. With half a tank of fuel, the machine started sputtering like it was going to die. I killed the engine and took a peek at the filter - bone dry. It was getting dark and I wasn't in a bad spot just anyway, so I decided to leave it there.

This time, I'm going to remove the fuel hose AT THE TANK rather than at the filter and see if my issue is in the tank or in the line immediately connected to the tank.

If it's in the tank, I guess I'm not sure what I can do to get it flushed given that draining it was of no use.

 

[JoeL4330]

I'm anxious to hear what you find (other than it's a lot harder to pull the hose at the tank end than at the filter end) It would be pretty good news, however, if fuel ran out of the tank, but not down the hose, which would point to blockage in the hose, which should be easily cured ...with mouth to mouth, compressed air, or a new hose.

Of course, if there is a blockage in the hose, it came from the tank and there may be more to follow. It's just that cleaning the tank is a pain ...removing it means removing part of the dash-intellipanel, etc. (I forget, is yours a cab 5030?), and you can't easily get to the tank outlet from the tank filler (inlet) because they are offset from one another.

Just one final thought: if the fuel does not flow out of the bottom of the tank when you yank the hose, you might try removing the filler cap ...if the vent in the cap were clogged, that might prevent fuel draining/feeding ...when you loosened it, you might hear a "whoosh" as air flowed in.

 

[5030tinkerer]

I don't have a cab (likely the ONLY time that I'll be thankful for not having one...). I'll check it out Friday night when I have some time.

Is the only way to clean the tank to remove it?

 

[JoeL4330]

Let's see ...

because the outlet is offset from the filler cap opening, you can't "grab" something that is blocking the outlet ...

you could try and find something that would dissolve the blockage, but unless it is gelled fuel (ruled out, apparently) then you might just dissolve the tank ...

if you could drain the fuel, you might try a wet/dry flexible vacuum hose (but, if you could drain the fuel, then there wouldn't be a blockage, right?) ...

you could try suction on the outlet fitting, hoping to squeeze/squish the blockage through the fitting.

Hoping that the blockage was ferrous, you could try a flexible magnetic grabber ...or, even a magnet on a string (fastened securely)

Since I assume you can't drain the fuel, you will probably siphon it out? I would place a filter over the receptacle into which the fuel siphons (funnel w. filter, or maybe cheesecloth, etc.) and hope that the siphon sucks up the obstruction, ...which is not all that likely since the obstruction doesn't float (or it would not have blocked the outlet until you were just out of fuel, no?).

So, just hope it's in the hose, otherwise you may be stuck with having to remove the tank ...I have the shop manual and will try and remember to look and see if there are any tricks, but according to my dealer it involves the "dashboard" removal.

 

[J_J]

I wonder if Rick is right. It was almost 60 out today. With half a tank of fuel, the machine started sputtering like it was going to die. I killed the engine and took a peek at the filter - bone dry. It was getting dark and I wasn't in a bad spot just anyway, so I decided to leave it there.

This time, I'm going to remove the fuel hose AT THE TANK rather than at the filter and see if my issue is in the tank or in the line immediately connected to the tank.

If it's in the tank, I guess I'm not sure what I can do to get it flushed given that draining it was of no use.

Why don't you run a line from the filter back to the fuel tank and draw directly from the tank. That is what I did, and it worked well. Later I found the small metal fuel line was stopped up.

You might try blowing out the line starting at the fuel filter. If that clears it up, then you know that there is crud in the tank, and needs cleaning.

 

[john_bud]

Drain out all the fuel. The outlet is normally removable (not positive on your machine). Un-bolt it and see what you can see, fix what needs it, replace what can't be fixed.

jb