Diesel Fuel Rationing?

[jyoutz]

Never in the history of mankind has NG been cheaper than coal.

I don't how else to put it nicely, but like the old saying goes. There is a sucker born every minute.

Nice snide comment directed at something you haven’t even researched. We are sitting on one of the largest NG fields in the country. Delivery of coal by train is no way cheaper than a 20 mile pipeline. Once again, I assume that the power company knows more than you than what it costs to operate their plant. Pretty presumptuous of you to insist that you know more than the company that owns and operates their facility. Wyoming coal as a business is going to be dead as economic powerhouse for your state, and you don’t want to face it.

 

[Snobdds]

Nice snide comment directed at something you haven’t even researched. We are sitting on one of the largest NG fields in the country. Delivery of coal by train is no way cheaper than a 20 mile pipeline. Once again, I assume that the power company knows more than you than what it costs to operate their plant. Pretty presumptuous of you to insist that you know more than the company that owns and operates their facility. Wyoming coal as a business is going to be dead as economic powerhouse for your state, and you don’t want to face it.

It was snide, but it was warranted by the fact you are ignoring the entire leasing, exploration, drilling, and transportation of NG as well. I'm sure that a minor oversight on your part.

Most gas is produced away from pipelines and must be trucked to the pipeline before it can go down the tube. In fact, often times gas is flared off due to it being too expensive to bring to market.

Wyoming is just fine in the coal department. Maybe lower than it's peak production, but far from dead. In fact, Microsoft just opened another data center here because of access to cheap power. Add that to the Amazons, Walmart, Oracle, etc that also have data centers here. There are very few places where the economics work with regards to low regs and an abundant supply of cheap and reliable power.

 

[jyoutz]

It was snide, but it was warranted by the fact you are ignoring the entire leasing, exploration, drilling, and transportation of NG as well. I'm sure that a minor oversight on your part.

Most gas is produced away from pipelines and must be trucked to the pipeline before it can go down the tube. In fact, often times gas is flared off due to it being too expensive to bring to market.

Wyoming is just fine in the coal department. Maybe lower than it's peak production, but far from dead. In fact, Microsoft just opened another data center here because of access to cheap power. Add that to the Amazons, Walmart, Oracle, etc that also have data centers here. There are very few places where the economics work with regards to low regs and an abundant supply of cheap and reliable power.

Once again, in my area, NG is cheaper and power companies are taking advantage of this. Pipelines are everywhere and gas isn’t trucked to main lines here. I’m willing to bet that our oil and gas industries will outlive the coal industry. We’ll see in 20 years.

 

[Snobdds]

Once again, in my area, NG is cheaper and power companies are taking advantage of this. Pipelines are everywhere and gas isn’t trucked to main lines here. I’m willing to bet that our oil and gas industries will outlive the coal industry. We’ll see in 20 years.

In 20 years, all your easy to get oil and gas will be long gone. It dosen't last forever. We have one of the largest gas fields in the US and it is starting to suffer from high cost extraction.

Wyoming only has about 150 years left of coal at the current pace. That should bridge any gaps until new tech comes along.

Plus there is not a pipeline going from every well head to a distribution hub. The economics don't warrant that considering a well has a very finite time to produce. Why put in a pipline to only have to abandon it a few years later. I know how the oil and gas game works, we have it here to.

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[jyoutz]

In 20 years, all your easy to get oil and gas will be long gone. It dosen't last forever. We have one of the largest gas fields in the US and it is starting to suffer from high cost extraction.

Wyoming only has about 150 years left of coal at the current pace. That should bridge any gaps until new tech comes along.

Plus there is not a pipeline going from every well head to a distribution hub. The economics don't warrant that considering a well has a very finite time to produce. Why put in a pipline to only have to abandon it a few years later. I know how the oil and gas game works, we have it here to.

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The Permian basin in TX and NM has the largest known oil and gas reserves in the world. When that’s depleted, there will be no more probably anywhere. This is oil and gas country with pipelines everywhere. Wyoming has a 150 year supply of coal, but there’s not 150 years of demand; maybe a decade or two at most. Old coal plants are being decommissioned and no new plants are being built. NG plants are being built everywhere.

 

[ultrarunner]

Rail did have high speed express freight. And could move things coast to coast as fast as, or faster than trucks.

But, when we built the interstates, and didn’t make the trucks pay for their share of construction and maintenance, we gave the trucks a huge competitive advantage. And as a result the rail system degraded into what we have now.

We need to gradually increase the ton-axle-mile fees on trucks, until they are actually covering the maintenance costs for the damage they cause, and express rail will rapidly recover.

I pay weight fees on my van and pickup… 40 year old vehicles and still hundreds paid every year and the last two years I doubt even a thousand miles traveled each…

Had I been smart I would have bought a van with second row seat and no weight fees instead I bought a van with only front seats…

 

[ultrarunner]

In 20 years, all your easy to get oil and gas will be long gone. It dosen't last forever. We have one of the largest gas fields in the US and it is starting to suffer from high cost extraction.

Wyoming only has about 150 years left of coal at the current pace. That should bridge any gaps until new tech comes along.

Plus there is not a pipeline going from every well head to a distribution hub. The economics don't warrant that considering a well has a very finite time to produce. Why put in a pipline to only have to abandon it a few years later. I know how the oil and gas game works, we have it here to.

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In the 1970’s all the talk was about peak oil and how gas rationing was a fact of life…

50 years later we were paying $2 a gallon with no rationing and tankers full of oil had no where to go..,