Diesel fuel storage and delivery

[coldsteelva]

Not entirely true....If you exceed 26,001 lbs. on anything other than an RV in most jurisdictions you are going to need a CDL regardless of what it being hauled and for hire or not.

From VA:

A commercial motor vehicle can be defined as:

A single vehicle with a gross vehicle weight rating (GVWR) of 26,001 pounds or more
A combination of vehicles with a gross combination weight rating (GCWR) of 26,001 pounds or more if the vehicle(s) being towed has a GVWR of more than 10,000 pounds
A vehicle that carries 16 or more passengers, including the driver
Any size vehicle that transports hazardous materials and that requires federal placarding

 

[Fallon]

If you are not in commerce, then the DOT regulations for hazardous materials transportation do not apply. So, if you live in a state where the haz-mat transportation law is 49CFR IBR, and if you are not in commerce, to mean that you are purchasing and transporting fuel for your own private, personal use, then you are free to go out and purchase a tank trailer and haul 8,000 gallons if you want, no CDL, no placards, no DOT number, no HMSP, no HM insurance.

Check your state regulations to see if your state is 49CFR IBR or if you have state specific regulations.

If you are in commerce, you are allowed to carry up to 119 gallons of diesel fuel without if being classified as hazardous. Over 119 gallons means haz-mat transportation.

Not knowledgeable enough to dispute any of that. I just dug enough to satisfy my curiosity as to why all the truck bef tanks here in Colorado topped out at oddball sizes just under 120 gallons. I assume they manufacture em that size because of those regs.

 

[Xfaxman]

Several years ago on craigslist, I found a 100 gallon saddle tank. Removed the drain plug, put in a quarter turn ball valve. Fastened it to a pallet. Made up a clear tubing fill hose. Gravity works, slow, but free.

 

[Joe Batt]

I use forks to move a barrel to and from the trailer with a "air operated pump" (it just pressurizes the barrel) with a cheap manual nozzle. For gas, I would use a hand crank pump; a pressurized barrel of gasoline seems dangerous.

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12 GPM Air Operated Barrel Pump
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[DieselBound]

As Fallon noted, it's right around 114 gallons for legal limits on transport unless you have a Hazmat license*. The entire point is that in order to move around any amount greater (not sure how the particular number came to be) that you're doing so safely- the consequences are far graver than with about anything else. While diesel is relatively safe, gasoline is not: I figure that NHTSA, or whoever is responsible for this edict, didn't want to split hairs. Given the stupid things I've seen people do I'm glad that this kind of limit is in place (it doesn't stop someone from doing it if they're bent on it, but it for sure discourages folks from trying/doing).

I don't know about all possible jurisdictions but, for sure, travel on interstate roads DOES apply in every state.

I worked out the numbers and found that it's cheaper for me to have delivery of off-road than to obtain fuel from the local truck stop. Here in WA there's a significant highway fuel tax; there's also sales tax, that one had to pay for the off-road stuff, but it's not as much (which makes sense). Having delivery means I an have a tank that's larger than the allowable non-Hazmat tank size. I tried working the numbers for having delivery of on-road fuel -convenience for my cars and my truck- but the numbers didn't work out (and it's not all that inconvenient to fuel up at the truck stop- my cars will run over 700 miles on a tank, so it's not like I'm refueling that often).

I never have more than about 5 gallons of gasoline on hand. Storing a lot of gasoline isn't something I would want to do.

 

[bdog]

The hazmat is a whole can of worms you don't want to open. Not only do you need the license but it makes you a commercial vehicle and you need dot numbers and all that jazz. The insurance requirements are crazy also and expensive. I work with explosives and it would be really convenient if I could transport them but I don't and just pay out the wazoo to have them delivered to every jobsite. The regs are slightly different for the fuel over 114 gal and explosives but the basic insurance and other requirements are the same.

 

[buckeyefarmer]

I use HHO as well. I save the road use tax. I still gotta pay sales tax and all that other nonsense.

I used to use off-road as hho, it was cheaper in the winter.j

 

[dazad]

We use these guys up here for fuel delivery service up here in Canada. They even rent us the tank, saves a ton of hassle - not sure if there is something similar in the US

 

[workinonit]

The small town I am in has 3 companies that transport fuel from the depot in Spartanburg, SC and deliver in our area. They all move a ton of fuel to the area so there is not much danger of getting bad fuel. I have always had bulk tanks. I have always had a bulk tank on a trailer because if I'm back on my farm or on another farm....well you get the picture. My tanks have a valve in the bottom to drain any water. I have never had water in my fuel and never drained any out. There are stations that sell off road that I trust if I happen to run out but that rarely happens and for the most part I don't trust stations. Those of you getting water in your fuel I can tell you it's not the fuel, it's not the dye and likely not the supplier, it's the stations handling of the fuel or your handling of the fuel. I don't think I have ever put clear fuel in any of my tractors since they started using the dye which was mid 90s I think. Before that diesel, no. 2 heating oil and kero were the same thing. Heck, when I was coming up stations didn't have diesel. They all had 1 kero pump which we used if we ran out. Truckers used truck stops.

 

[Hay Dude]

Can you do a truck mounted transfer tank & pump? I’ve had one them mounted on various trucks for 25 years and it’s one of the handiest items you‘ll ever own.