Oil & Fuel Diesel fuel.

[Hawk J]

Good Mornin'.........................

Do the folks with diesel engines mix in an additive each time you fuelup?

What additive do you use?

Are some diesel engines running good without adding anything to the fuel?

Are both ULSD & #2 diesel fuel good to use?


Thankyou

Jack

 

[Diamondpilot]

I use Power Serve or Howse.

Chris

 

[greenmule]

I use power service in white bottle year round[I at least like to think it helps?],but a bottle will last you many,many tankfulls.

I use the red desil,[non tax,not for road use stuff],but believe the other is the same without dye?

I don't have much of a choice really,there are only 2 places that sell desil within 45 min drive[in a car,that is],so,if its low sulpher,than its low sulpher,another reason to use power service.

 

[Bob Rooks]

As far as I know you cannot get high sulphur fuel anymore, #1 or #2, even in heating oil. Low Sulphur Diesel (LSD) #1, #2, & HO will be phased into Ultra-Low Sulphur Diesel (ULSD). Eventually, you won't even be able to get LSD.

The red dye in the fuel is a road tax exempt identifier. Same fuel but don't get caught with it in your highway vehicle. One teaspoon of the red fuel mixed with 100 gallons of non-dyed fuel will dye the whole lot. Try it and see

I use the Lucas additive in the truck and tractor.

 

[3RRL]

Out here in CA it's all ULSD and has been for some time now.
Bob is right that the red additive goes into the same stuff but is designated for "off road" of "farm use" only. It's between 25 to 40 cents cheaper per gallon. I use Power Service as an additive for my tractors but nothing for the 2500HD Chevy truck...but maybe I should? Since I store my diesel in quantity and don't use it as much as my truck, I use it not so much for added power, but for keeping the diesel from getting "algae" or whatever it is and also so it doesn't gelled up in the cold.
There was a thread in the Oil section a while ago with a link to many different additives. It showed which ones added the most lubrication via some kind of test and rating system. It was pretty interesting to see where all the additives came in order on that chart. Anybody know which thread I'm talking about? I didn't bookmark it...

 

[WantedWolf]

I never liked pouring syrup in the tank but when I first got the 5.9 cummins I was urged to use some additive to prevent gelling. I added about 100 ml to a full fill and still have the rest of the bottle 2 years later.

Why I even posted here thou was to ask about adding ATF to the fuel.
It was recomended by a mechanic I trusted to add about 300-500 ml to a full tank (mixed in jerry first). He says it cleans any wax from the injectors better than anything else and hed been doing it for years.

Note. What do I know so I did it and never had any ill effects however it was a new truck and I also didnt notice any gain from doing so, but being unfamiliar I may have missed it. Anyone else ever here of this?

 

[valley]

I have started useing Marvel Oil. I have had good results in gas engines. This is the first time I have used it in a diesel. You mentioned the use of ATF in diesel fuel. I have added ATF to the crankcase a short time, and driven the car or truck, before draining for its scrubbing, cleaning effect. I respect the idea of adding ATF to Diesel. The mechanic you refered to sounds like you know him well. Has he used it in diesel fuel for some time that you know of?
I have added diesel to gas for upper lube. I have hesitated doing this with my newer cars because I was conserned about the oxygen sensor but the small amount I add may be no problem and I may do it. Richard

 

[WantedWolf]

I have started useing Marvel Oil. I have had good results in gas engines. This is the first time I have used it in a diesel. You mentioned the use of ATF in diesel fuel. I have added ATF to the crankcase a short time before draining for its scrubbing, cleaning effect. I respect the idea of adding ATF to Diesel. The mechanic you refered to sounds like you know him well. Has he used it in engines for some time that you know of? Richard

hes a really good guy and a character. 65yr old farmer forever, 3 trades tickets, 1 in mechanics. "has done it for years" so at least 20 years using ATF would be a lowball guess.

 

[Bob Rooks]

He says it cleans any wax from the injectors better than anything else and hed been doing it for years.

What wax??
Mixing ATF or Marvel in milliliters with your diesel fuel provides no added benefit. More than that could be detrimental. Because ATF has friction modifiers, I wouldn't add it to anything that didn't specify it.

 

[valley]

Alberta! You must get as much snow as we get here in the mountains. A few years ago I work as mechanic at the bus garage. The new diesel fuel are very clean and waxing isn't the problem it once was. But in colder areas I think it can still happen. To show the difference in the new diesel: When we were in Australia I was working on a car. I was about to pour a pint of diesel fuel through the carborator to clean the upper end and free up the rings. I said "wait till you see how much smoke this thing will put out". I reved the engine pouring it through, almost no smoke was present. Richard

 

[Cat_Driver]

These are the top ones


I've use all of then on various diesels and I'm down to the FPPF and redline at the moment.

I won't keep using a product if I can't FEEL the difference, and with the two I use I can definitely tell they are working. More power if I'm using the power booster formula, or a much quieter smoother engine if I'm using lubricity formula.

Best way is to try them out and find which one you like for your application.

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Power Service Diesel Fuel Additives :: Diesel Fuel Suppliment & Diesel 911

Stanadyne Diesel Fuel Additives Including Performance Formula, Lubricity, Winter 1000 and Gas Injector Cleaner

Lucas Diesel and Gasoline Additives for Oil, Transmission, Injectors and Power Steering

Racor Diesel Fuel Additives :: Diesel Biocide & Coolant Treatment

Red Line Oil: Fuel Additives

FPPF

http://www.fppf.com/dieselpowerteam.asp

 

[WantedWolf]

I won't keep using a product if I can't FEEL the difference,


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Thats why I only used the fuel conditioner and the atf the one time.
But as I said The truck was very new to me and I didnt have much prior time with the truck to compare before and after performance. The truck almost always did what I asked until recently anyway

 

[valley]

Wantedwolf, Yes! There is still waxing, when engines are opened, around the enjectors, doesn't stop the engine form running, but runs lousily. Talked to a friend who repairs them. Gathers around the enjectors like paint on tip of a paint gun. Sorry, I haven't worked on diesels for 15yrs. I thought waxing was a thing of the past. Chris and Greenbule use the additives mentioned in their posts, both of them own and run diesels.
Thanks Cat Driver, I'll check thoes out also.
Are you getting any of this snow? I moved the snow about 9:00am and there is enough out there to do it again.

 

[WantedWolf]

The snow the reason im playing indoors today, the machine I was working on yesterday is parked in our newly aquired river. (were on the middle of a hill). It snowed over an inch during the night + the previous 10-12 thats melting above us now too. I get yelled at for playing in the mud worse these days then when I was a kid

 

[valley]

Wantedwolf, After the last post. My wife called saying she is on the way home. So I went down to clear the snow again. This car pulled into our drive, I thought it to be my wife, same color car. Then behind it came gang busters. An off duty officer came home as this car backs out of his drive. Then guy came from his back yard carrying a snowboard. { they might have been picking up a friend that had come down the summit.} Just dicided to cut through his yard instead of going around. Then they thought they would outrun the cop. Not smart. When I came up for a cup of I thought I'd get this shot.

 

[valley]

Cat Driver, One of the additives you mentioned is Red Line. Have you used Red LIne 85 plus /diesel additive? I have read, the claim " better cold weather starting". If you are useing it, have you found this to be true? Thanks Richard

 

[LBrown59]

1*What additive do you use?
2*Is #2 diesel good to use?Jack

1*I dump a quart of power service in my 55 gallon drum before filling it.
2*When you say #2 Are you talking about the difference between winter and summer blend diesel or are you talking about the difference betwen diesel and kerosene?

I use power service in white bottle year round[I at least like to think it helps?],but
3*a bottle will last you many,many tankfulls.
4*I use the red desil,[non tax,not for road use stuff],but believe the other is the same without dye?
5*I don't have much of a choice really,there are only 2 places that sell desil within 45 min drive[in a car,that is],so,if its low sulpher,than its low sulpher,another reason to use power service.

3*A 32 ounce bottle will treat 10 tank fulls for my BX23.
4*I get 55 gallon delivered at a time .Non taxed red off road.
On road is ths same stuff with out the red dye but with 30 to 50 cents a gallon tax on it instead.
5*There is only 1 fuel available here for engines and home furnaces so it don't matter where or who you get it from .

6*Eventually, you won't even be able to get LSD.
7*As far as I know you cannot get high sulphur fuel anymore, #1 or #2, even in heating oil.Low Sulphur Diesel (LSD) #1, #2, & HO will be phased into Ultra-Low Sulphur Diesel (ULSD).

6*I think we're closer to that than people realize.
7*Do you mean winter blend and summer blend diesel or are you talking about diesel fuel and kero?

 

[mffarmall]

I used the fleet one during Dec because we were getting really cold. But now its high 60's. So what can you do but wait. Welcome to Colorado. Shorts and a parka.

 

[Bob Rooks]

Do you mean winter blend and summer blend diesel or are you talking about diesel fuel and kero?

Space is limited here for a lengthy dissertation, but I assert that there is significant differences between between the fuel oils. Not sure what you mean by "summer & winter blends". #1 & #2 diesel fuels are available year around and to my knowledge are not referred to as that by the oil companies.

There are differences between #1 & #2 diesel fuels, #1 & #2 furnace oil (heating oil), kerosene, jet fuel (JP's), and other white oils. The differences are measured by flash point, auto-ignition point, Kinematic viscosity (cSt) and/or Saybolt Universal (SUS).

One of the things that has crossed my mind regarding the fuel additive subject is: If the the stuff is all that good then why don't the major fleets use it on a daily basis? Like the US Postal service, major trucking companies, railroads, and the fleet I work for which uses approximately 180 million gallons of fuel per year. Just curious.

 

[DieselPower]

Many large fleets do. I sell tanker loads of additive to some companies that have it delivered to their supplier so it can be mixed at the rack before delivery to their holding tanks.