Diesel VW Jetta....opinions?

/ Diesel VW Jetta....opinions?
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Wow, thanks guys for the informative responses. What y'all have written here mirrors the general info i got off the web. Most owners since the late 90's have had overall good reliability. I have read several instances of lemon like mechanical issues such as RonL's story. Those do seem to plague the same vehs with many different system failures seemingly unrelated to each other. But i guess if i researched any other car or truck i would find the same % of lemon issues.
It looks like we can park the '05 Chevy crew 5.3L 4x4 most of the time, drive an older TDI Jetta and make the payments off the fuel savings. I have narrowed the search to the 2001-2003 models with around 100K. They average between $10k & 12k. I am going to crunch the actual numbers and post them here later.

RD
 
/ Diesel VW Jetta....opinions? #22  
Hogzillanator said:
Anybody ever wonder why Cummins, Powerstroke and Duramax had to increase displacement to maintain the same horsepower levels. They've got scrubbers on the exhaust system. Bottom line is the they run much hotter, produce less power (cubic inch for cubic inch) and consume much more fuel than their pre clean air act cousins but they are clean as a pin at the tail pipe. They are, however, perpetually choked down.

I thought the Cummins and Duramax are about the same as when introduced. But the Ford has gone down more than up. 7.3, 6.0 and the new smogmotor is just a 6.4. Not a huge up swing. But yeah they don't get the milage like the old ones. Most guys buying new are going gasser again with a $7000 price tag on thepowerstroke and diesel at $.50 more a gallon. Pricey for 2-3 more mpg unless you tow real heavy.
 
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RobJ said:
Most guys buying new are going gasser again with a $7000 price tag on thepowerstroke and diesel at $.50 more a gallon. Pricey for 2-3 more mpg unless you tow real heavy.


That's what I'm thinking, when diesel was cheaper it had some advantage, not so much anymore no more than I tow.
 
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RedRocker said:
That's what I'm thinking, when diesel was cheaper it had some advantage, not so much anymore no more than I tow.

I'll restate and say "some" guys are going to gas...:D The ones who can afford both and still like the smell are still driving diesels. Heck I couldn't afford the diesel way back when it was a $5000 option!
 
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MotorSeven

If you buy a used VW make sure you do a history of it. If it had no problems you may be getting one of the good ones. Problems usually show up in the beginning. Make sure you get the maintenance records if you expect VWoA to honor (yea right) any remaining warranty. Make sure the oil changes were done on time and the right oil was used (and documented).
Sales of VW's have dropped dramatically. The dealers are hurting for business. If you go to a dealer for service or parts they are going to pounce on you and try and wring as much money out of you as they can. If you can find an independent mechanic to work on your car you will be better off. But make sure you document everything. If you change the oil yourself make sure that you use the "approved" oil (505-01 I believe). You may have a hard time finding the "approved" oil. You may have to buy it at the dealer. Expensive. Parts at the dealer are expensive. That is how they are surviving.
If you search on the web you will find other makes that have had problems, certainly. But not as many as VW. They are at or near the bottom of everyones list. VW only sold 235,000 cars in the US last year. This is a miniscule number compared to the millions other makers sell. And yet there are more people on the web complaining about their VW (Google vw sucks and vw lemon).
I apologize for the long winded response but after two lemons in a row and the horrible, insulting experience with VWoA i feel I need to inform others about VW. You need to go into it with your eyes open.

RonL
 
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Thanks Ron, i will take your advise and do a thorough background check.

So here are some #s. It's Miller time, so there may be a mistake or two....ok, maybe three......
Our average yearly mileage is 20,000, the price of diesel has fluctuated from equal to unleaded to 30 cents more, so i am calculating it at equal and using the max highway mpg the truck has ever logged.

20,000 miles divided by 18 mpg = 1,111 gals x $3 a gal = $3,333 a year
20,000 miles divided by 45 mpg = 444 gals x $3 a gal = $1,333 a year
So a $2k savings per year.
$10k financed @ 7% for 4 years is $198 x 12months = $2,376.
Insurance should be around $500 a year which comes to $2,876
It looks like around $75 bucks a month to drive the TDI if we keep the Chevy.
Now if i quit drinking Miller, it would be a yearly savings of......
Hmmmmm........
 
/ Diesel VW Jetta....opinions? #27  
Is the Chevy Paid for? Are you keeping it?

The loan calculator I'm using show 239.46 per month on a 10k loan for four years at 7%. Total cost is $11,494.

Fuel, loan, and insurance for four years on the car is $18,826 or $392 per month. That is a lot of gas, 5.7 years of gas.

Later,
Dan
 
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Yep, Dan your right, i clicked on 5 years instead of 4, my mistake. Ummm, well, i'd like to keep the truck. but keeping it to pull a trailer 3-4 times a year doesn't make alot of sense. Logically, the truck should go & get replaced with something way older, & stouter(2500-3500, C20-30).

RD
 
/ Diesel VW Jetta....opinions? #29  
" That's what I'm thinking, when diesel was cheaper it had some advantage, not so much anymore no more than I tow."

This is what me, and some buddies are saying now. No real advantage to diesels unless towing heavy load constantly.

Just get a truck with a gas engine, burning regular....5, or 6 speed manual, with high rear axle ratio. Hit a big hill, just keep dropping down in gearing. Top gear should be 1 to 1, or and overdrive gear.

This 73 Chevy has 3/4 ton 7 spring rear suspension installed, manual trans, and a rear axle ratio of 2.73, with taller tires to give a calculated ratio of 2.51. It gets lightly loaded on the highway 21 mpg with a 350 c.i. V8, Quadrajet 4BBL carburator, torquer intake manifold gaskets, and dual full flow exhaust system. Runs on regular pump gas. Rear lowered 3.5" to aid in loading. Synthetic oil, greas used, turns 1500-1800 rpm mostly at highway speeds of around 55mph.
 

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IH, i have a '72 250-6 three on the tree work truck, but it is only a 1/2 ton. A '68 short step that i am building for "cruizin", so it won't even geta trailer hitch. Since i am partial to the '67-72 Chevys, a '71 or '72 C-30 dually flatbed would be "perfect" for the farm. I've been keeping an eye out, and sooner or later i'll come across one at the right price. When that happens, the '05 will most likely have to go. It's amazing how simple and functional those old truck are.
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Update: Ok, i joined the diesel "club". Apparently Christmas time is a good time to buy a car. Found a 99.5(vw changed body styles mid year) TDI jetta w/168K miles on it, one owner w/meticulous maintenance & records. Picked it up in PA & drove straight home-530 miles w/out stopping. The thing got 48.5 mpg @ 70-75mph......wow. I was listening to the radio on the way up there & the fuel prediction for summer '08 is $3.50-3.65 a gal....yikes. The best part was i spent 6K + the rental car one way to PA-$200.
I had been watching 4 other TDI's on ebay & none of them got their reserve price. If this car works out, i will be looking for another one to get the daughter for college in a 6 months or so.

RD
 
/ Diesel VW Jetta....opinions? #32  
gotta 2005.5 get around 48-50 mpg no problems. only gripe is the fact that you have to use vw spec oil 505.2 hard to find and expensive i get mine at the dealer 6.50 per quart need 5 quarts
 
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I can use the vw oil or Rotella/Mobil 1 on the 99.5-2004 models. Your right, for the 05 & up the only thing that meets vw specs is their oil. Even so, under $40 every 10K miles ain't bad.

RD
 
/ Diesel VW Jetta....opinions? #34  
I can confirm that there is a new tdi on its way. Unfortunately it is not going to be available until Aug. This is because VW took longer then planned to get EPA combined city/highway of 60 mpg!

I have been hounding vw about getting an 06, which I believe there is one oout there on a lot somewhere.... Dealers say no..oh well. I am going to try one of the 08's.
 
/ Diesel VW Jetta....opinions? #35  
Copied from the TDI forum....interesting that it is the soot that loads up in the oil which does the internal damage!:eek: :eek: :eek:

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Lately, there have been countless threads asking again and again, "What oil should I use". Please don't ask it again! Read this first. For what it's worth, there is not much here which is not in your owner's manual, but somehow nobody ever seems to read those ...

This question has to be answered in two parts, because there are two different "families" of VW TDI engines. The critical factor is whether your engine uses the "pumpe-duse" or "P-D" fuel injection system. If you don't know, and you are in North America, it's easy to figure out: all TDI engines sold here for 2004 and later model years are "pumpe-duse", and all TDI engines sold here for 2003 and prior model years are not (they are "distributor pump").

If you are elsewhere in the world, it's more complicated because the P-D engines were phased in starting in 2000. If your 4-cylinder engine had an original horsepower rating of 90 or 110 then it is "distributor pump". If it was 100, 115, 130, 140, 150, or 170, then it is "pumpe-duse". If it is 2.0 litre displacement rather than 1.9, then it is "pumpe-duse" regardless of power level. You can also tell the "distributor-pump" engine by the external injector pump driven by the timing belt on the front of the engine.

If you still cannot figure it out then assume it is a P-D. The oils suitable for a P-D are also suitable for the older models. The reverse is NOT true.

Okay, with that out of the way, here goes.

PART ONE: For engines that are NOT "pumpe-duse".

You must use a synthetic engine oil, recommended viscosity 5w40 although 0w40 is also permissible, AND in the fine print on the bottle that lists what standards that the oil conforms to, it must list either VW 505.00, ACEA B3, ACEA B4, API CI-4, API CH-4, or API CG-4. (Note: "Either" means ANY ONE OF, not necessarily all of them. For example, if it's VW 505.00 but doesn't list the others, that's fine, because VW 505.00 is "one" of the standards listed and you only need "one".) But do NOT assume that any synthetic oil will meet these standards. READ THE BOTTLE. For example, most versions of Mobil 1 do NOT meet these standards (they are meant for gasoline engines). Also, any oil that is suitable for a P-D is fine for a distributor-pump engine.

Many "European car" synthetic oils meet these requirements. So does Mobil Delvac 1 5w40, Shell Rotella Synthetic 5w40 or 0w40, PetroCanada Duron Synthetic 5w40 (can be special ordered at any PetroCanada OilChangers location in Canada), Castrol Syntec 5w40 European-car formulation, and quite a few others. IF IN DOUBT, READ THE LABEL.

The VW part number for the oil most commonly used at the dealers is ZVW-352-540S = Castrol Syntec 5W-40 (VW 505.00 rated, suitable for non-PD TDI engines; not suitable for PD TDI engines). If they use the PD oil (see below) that's OK.

PART TWO: "Pumpe-duse" engines.

You must use an engine oil that explicitly states that it conforms to VW 505.01, 506.01, or 507.00. NOTHING ELSE. Common choices are Castrol 5w40 TXT 505.01 (do NOT confuse this with the regular European-car formulation of Syntec 5w40, it is not the same), Elf Excellium VW 505.01, Motul 6100 VW 505.01, Motul Specific 505.01, and there are others. ALL such oils prominently state 505.01 in large letters on the bottle. If it doesn't have that, it is NOT ACCEPTABLE.

Due to the limited number of VW diesels in North America, these oils are typically available only at VW dealers and parts vendors that specialize in VW cars. Other parts vendors might be able to special order it, so ask. To forestall another question, this is NOT a "monopoly". Engine oil vendors outside of VW dealers are perfectly free to market oils that meet VW's standards. The fact that not many have chosen to do so is THEIR fault, not VW's.

Beware the "meets or exceeds" game. The oil has to be certified to these standards by VW themselves. Amsoil is one notable oil brand which does not pay for such certification. They produce an oil which states VW 505.01 on the bottle, but it is not on VW's list of certified oils. That doesn't mean it's a bad product ... it just means that if something bad happens, there is a possibility that VW isn't going to warranty it (on the grounds that you did not use one of VW's certified oils), and if that happens, you are going to have a battle on your hands. It is BEYOND THE SCOPE OF THIS THREAD to explore the fine points of VW 505.01 certification, the subject has been beaten to death elsewhere with no end in sight, this thread merely serves to make you aware of the situation. If you want to research this, search the forums - there is already a ton of discussion on this and I'm not going to tolerate any further discussion of it in this thread.

The VW part number for the oil most commonly used is G-052-167-A2 = Castrol TXT 505.01 (VW 505.01 rated, suitable for PD TDI engines; also VW 505.00 rated and suitable for non-PD TDI engines).

WHAT HAPPENS IF I USE SOMETHING ELSE?

If the oil is not meant for diesel engines, it won't survive the high-soot environment. Oil meant for diesel engines is formulated to deal with the soot.

If you use a non-synthetic oil, it doesn't withstand high temperatures as well as synthetic oil. There are two areas of concern, the turbocharger, and the upper piston rings. There have been cases reported where upper piston rings were sticking due to oil breakdown, causing high piston ring and cylinder wall wear. There have been cases where turbochargers coked up their oil feed line and grenaded as a result.

If you use an oil that doesn't meet VW 505.01 in a P-D, expect high camshaft and lifter wear in the long term. MOBIL 1 IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH. These engines have unusually high contact pressures between the camshaft and lifters due to the narrow cam lobes forced by the space taken up by the P-D injector mechanism. It is NOT a safe assumption that an oil suitable for large truck engines which also have unit injectors will work in a VW P-D TDI.
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Brian P.
2006 Jetta TDI 5-sp, Spice Red, Unitronics stage 1, 0.681 5th gear, and a roadrace bike on the trailer
 
/ Diesel VW Jetta....opinions? #36  
MotorSeven, I see after just your trip home you are hooked on a diesel. I've owned diesel vehicles since 1986 and wouldn't ever own another gas vehicle. The VW's I've owned have been good dependable vehicles. Although you may find that they all have their own little idiosycrocies. Diesel is a hard sell in the USA,especially with diesel fuel prices above gas. Now that you own a diesel you will quickly see its advantages. Just do the routine maintenence with air,fuel and oil,plus the timing belt when required and you will ge greatly satisfied with your diesel vehicle.

We just did a 2800 mile trip to Texas and back on 58 gallons of fuel and a total cost of $197.00.

Enjoy your diesel. Sincerely, Dirt
 
/ Diesel VW Jetta....opinions? #37  
My wife and I have an 06 TDI Jetta with a 5 speed, and love it. Have had it for about 18 months now, and have put around 44,000 miles on. I drive 120 miles round trip Monday - Friday for work, and needed to find something that would get me the best mileage possible (without the headaches of a hybrid). Have been averaging a pretty consistent 45-48mpg over a mix of street and highway driving.

I too have heard that the new 08 TDI has been delayed until late summer/early fall this year because of some emissions problems. But the good news is more power and better mileage over the current one - plus a wagon will be available.

Anyway, it's a nice compliment to our 03 Dodge 2500 Cummins Turbo Diesel!

Enjoy your new car,

Chris
 
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Dirt,
One of the deciding factors was our "long" trips. The wife is from Manitoba, so we usually go up there 3 times a year. It's a 3200 mile round trip. I just got back from there 2 months ago picking up horses.....let's see, 3200, @ 11mpg......ouch! Now if i could only pull a goosneck with a jetta....hmmmmm

RD
 
/ Diesel VW Jetta....opinions? #39  
I love diesels... Small Cars and Vans in the Phillippines are all Diesels... Smells bad but efficient!

mark
 
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"I can put 12 gallons in my Jetta TDI and cruise 600 miles in pampered comfort, blow the doors off every hybrid in sight and laugh hysterically as I drive by the pump."

That's exhactly how I feel. Proud owner of 2005.5 Jetta TDI, auto trans, etc. 50000 trouble free miles, plenty umph for small car. Like others said before me... drive it hard!
 

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