Disk Harrow

[TheMan419]

My search skills must be failing....

I have a NH Boomer 24. I want to disk about 10 acres. How big (small?) of a disk harrow can I pull? Soil is clay and sand. I know the "rule of thumb" for the bush hog is 5 HP per foot. Is there a similar idea for the disk harrow?

Land was previously in corn. I want to turn it over and plant pasture grass. I figure this will also help get rid of the "rows" built up from planting corn and beans over the years by the prior owner.

Thanks for any advice.

 

[jeff9366]

The lightest Disc Harrow which is moderately effective has 18" diameter pans. The lightest Disc Harrow which is effective has 20" diameter pans. To pull a Disc Harrow with 20" pans at a brisk pace requires a 3,500 pound (bare tractor) tractor and 4-WD. Both 18" and 20" Disc Harrows are really SECONDARY TILLAGE implements.

Beginning at 22" pans, better 24" pans, Disc Harrows can serve as PRIMARY TILLAGE implements in soft soil.

Lighter tractors have to mix soil with PTO powered roto-tillers.

Both Disc Harrows and roto-tillers are soil mixing implements.

If it has been ten years since your ground was last plowed, plowing will raise fresh nutrients to the surface. Roto-tilling will produce almost the same result. Discing, less.

There are "rules" for PTO powered implements. For ground contact implements it is tractor weight.

Consider a Field Cultivator, which is excellent for regular pasture aeration after you break up existing irregularities.
VIDEO: field cultivator small tractor - YouTube
LINK TO IOWA FARM EQUIPMENT: Chisel Plows

 

[Texasmark]

The lightest Disc Harrow which is moderately effective has 18" diameter pans. The lightest Disc Harrow which is effective has 20" diameter pans. To pull a Disc Harrow with 20" pans at a brisk pace requires a 3,500 pound (bare tractor) tractor and 4-WD. Both 18" and 20" Disc Harrows are really SECONDARY TILLAGE implements.

Beginning at 22" pans, better 24" pans, Disc Harrows can serve as PRIMARY TILLAGE implements in soft soil.

Lighter tractors have to mix soil with PTO powered roto-tillers.

Both Disc Harrows and roto-tillers are soil mixing implements.

If it has been ten years since your ground was last plowed, plowing will raise fresh nutrients to the surface. Roto-tilling will produce almost the same result. Discing, less.

There are some "rules" for PTO powered implements. For ground contact implements it is tractor weight.

Consider a Field Cultivator, which is excellent for regular pasture aeration.
VIDEO: field cultivator small tractor - YouTube
LINK TO IOWA FARM EQUIPMENT: Chisel Plows

Nice reply. I am a firm believer in subsoiling my clay. Really helps the disc implements do their job. I bought a roto tiller this year and planned on burying Austrian Winter Peas. Been more of a job than I planned. The roto tiller just wrapped the vines around the tines. Course I had the back door shut. Had it been open (which I forgot to do) it may have gone better. Don't know. Next time I think I'll get out the shredder and mow them first, then subsoil (Hay King is what I use and like), and then roto till. We'll see what happens.

 

[jeff9366]

I have coveted Hay King renovators for years. Just too expensive for the limited use I would have for that specialized implement.

I raise Austrian Winter Peas as one constituent in my winter deer Food Plots. I scalp Bush Hog, then Disc. I only have two acres of food plots.

 

[TheMan419]

IT has only been 2 years since it was in corn.

Are you thinking a PTO powered roto-tiller would turn the stover under and deal with the rows created from the farming of the corn?

 

[Halftrack]

Check out Land Pride's video on their reverse tine tiller burying surface trash. If it satisfies as far as the finished product, consider renting one and trying it out. Doing 10 acres once with the tiller is still going to take less time than going over the same area 3 times with a disc. And consider tilling at a diagonal to the rows to level everything out. Your 24 should handle a 5 footer and would give you an idea if you want to buy something larger or smaller.

 

[sweettractors]

My search skills must be failing....

I have a NH Boomer 24. I want to disk about 10 acres. How big (small?) of a disk harrow can I pull? Soil is clay and sand. I know the "rule of thumb" for the bush hog is 5 HP per foot. Is there a similar idea for the disk harrow?

Land was previously in corn. I want to turn it over and plant pasture grass. I figure this will also help get rid of the "rows" built up from planting corn and beans over the years by the prior owner.

Thanks for any advice.

Our 5 ft Tarter forward or reverse rotation roto tiller would probable be the best option for doing what you describe and then use if for other jobs around the farm/garden etc when finished. Ken Sweet
New Forward or Reverse Rotation Geardrive Tarter 5 FT Roto Tiller, WE SHIP CHEAP | eBay

 

[TheMan419]

Check out Land Pride's video on their reverse tine tiller burying surface trash. If it satisfies as far as the finished product, consider renting one and trying it out. Doing 10 acres once with the tiller is still going to take less time than going over the same area 3 times with a disc. And consider tilling at a diagonal to the rows to level everything out. Your 24 should handle a 5 footer and would give you an idea if you want to buy something larger or smaller.

Thanks for the tip. I will check it out. Actually I think a guy down the street may have a tiller. I'll have to see if it is reverse tine and if he will let me borrow/rent it.

Our 5 ft Tarter forward or reverse rotation roto tiller would probable be the best option for doing what you describe and then use if for other jobs around the farm/garden etc when finished. Ken Sweet
New Forward or Reverse Rotation Geardrive Tarter 5 FT Roto Tiller, WE SHIP CHEAP | eBay

Thanks Ken. This is a one time project. Just trying to turn under corn stover and get the ground levelish. Then plant pasture grass. So I am looking to buy used or rent. If buying used I would likely turn around and sell again relatively quickly. So investing in something new just does not seem economical.

 

[jeff9366]

Small tractors can power forward operating roto-tillers fine. The forward rotating tines push the tractor forward.

Reverse rotation tillers, which pull against the tractor, require more tractor weight and more tractor power.

Soil moistness, soil constituents and crop root residue will all affect how much tractor is required.

I speculate the roto-tiller market is 85% forward rotation, 15% other.

 

[jeff9366]

My search skills must be failing....

I expect you searched with disK rather than disC.

 

[Deleted member 216442]

My search skills must be failing....

I have a NH Boomer 24. I want to disk about 10 acres. How big (small?) of a disk harrow can I pull? Soil is clay and sand. I know the "rule of thumb" for the bush hog is 5 HP per foot. Is there a similar idea for the disk harrow?

Land was previously in corn. I want to turn it over and plant pasture grass. I figure this will also help get rid of the "rows" built up from planting corn and beans over the years by the prior owner.

Thanks for any advice.

Your boomer 24 weighs about 1700 pounds. You do not state what tires it features. If it has turf tires it will not pull hard on plowed soil. R4s will pull better; ag tires will pull best. Disc harrows vary considerably in weight, angle which discs can be set at, disc diameter, disc shape (cupped, scalloped, flat), and whether they are drag or 3 point hitch style. I have found that my JD which is 38.5HP with Ag tires and 4WD can have trouble pulling an old but good and heavy drag disc 7' wide when I set it at sharp angles. It is a lot heavier than modern ones so it bites better. Set at milder angles it is easier to pull. I can get alot of wheel spin and it is better to lessen the angle and make more than one pass in different directions. Nonetheless, in a pinch I have used turf tires on it to disc small amounts (2 or 3 acres) just to save time. I also found for flattening the dirt a followup with a spring tooth harrow really helps flatten the soil. Discing after the soil has dried out in the sun for some days after plowing helps - dry soil clods break up easier. If you have clay you will not be able to pull a very wide disc. There is a tradeoff here - given that you intend to do 10 acres, already have a 24 hp machine with some sort of tires, and probably won't repeat every year, you have to consider what the disc will cost. I'd go used. I'd try to find one with an adjustable angle, and the heavier the better, but I would avoid anything wider than 5 or 6'. If it is too hard to pull you could remove some outer edge discs. Sharper angles cut dirt clods better, but are harder to pull. I would guess your machine could pull a 5 or 6' modern real light one, but not an older heavier one of that width especially if its discs run at sharp angles. You might struggle with wheelspin if you have turf tires and the angle is not adjustable, but eventually it'd be done.

 

[TheMan419]

Your boomer 24 weighs about 1700 pounds. You do not state what tires it features. If it has turf tires it will not pull hard on plowed soil. R4s will pull better; ag tires will pull best. Disc harrows vary considerably in weight, angle which discs can be set at, disc diameter, disc shape (cupped, scalloped, flat), and whether they are drag or 3 point hitch style. I have found that my JD which is 38.5HP with Ag tires and 4WD can have trouble pulling an old but good and heavy drag disc 7' wide when I set it at sharp angles. It is a lot heavier than modern ones so it bites better. Set at milder angles it is easier to pull. I can get alot of wheel spin and it is better to lessen the angle and make more than one pass in different directions. Nonetheless, in a pinch I have used turf tires on it to disc small amounts (2 or 3 acres) just to save time. I also found for flattening the dirt a followup with a spring tooth harrow really helps flatten the soil. Discing after the soil has dried out in the sun for some days after plowing helps - dry soil clods break up easier. If you have clay you will not be able to pull a very wide disc. There is a tradeoff here - given that you intend to do 10 acres, already have a 24 hp machine with some sort of tires, and probably won't repeat every year, you have to consider what the disc will cost. I'd go used. I'd try to find one with an adjustable angle, and the heavier the better, but I would avoid anything wider than 5 or 6'. If it is too hard to pull you could remove some outer edge discs. Sharper angles cut dirt clods better, but are harder to pull. I would guess your machine could pull a 5 or 6' modern real light one, but not an older heavier one of that width especially if its discs run at sharp angles. You might struggle with wheelspin if you have turf tires and the angle is not adjustable, but eventually it'd be done.

Yes my tractor has tires lol... they are R4's. I am certainly looking used. The ideal situation would be to buy used, get the project done and sell it. Rental (if I can find one) would be an option too, but that puts you under time pressure. Of course I am under time pressure to get it done so that grass can be planted in the spring planting season. Usually mid May around here for grass. Hence my need to start looking now.

 

[Tractor Time with Tim]

I agree with the other posters that a 5' disk is about the biggest you could pull.

I also agree that you'll have trouble cutting through the sod if it had grass/weeds grow on it all last year.
One potential solution which hasn't been mentioned, you could use Roundup or other burn-down herbicide to kill the vegetation, then wait a couple of weeks before disking. This would make it easier to cut through the tough sod.

The other approaches are 1) Roto-tiller, or 2) Moldboard plow, then disk, etc.

I think the burn-down followed by disking would be easiest. I see (only) one on craigslist within 200 miles of central Indiana. Not sure where you are located. This one is in Ky. It looks a bit rough, but it looks heavy, and that is what you need. I can't tell if says he has already replaced the bearings, or if they NEED to be replaced.

5.5 3point disk

 

[TheMan419]

I agree with the other posters that a 5' disk is about the biggest you could pull.

I also agree that you'll have trouble cutting through the sod if it had grass/weeds grow on it all last year.
One potential solution which hasn't been mentioned, you could use Roundup or other burn-down herbicide to kill the vegetation, then wait a couple of weeks before disking. This would make it easier to cut through the tough sod.

The other approaches are 1) Roto-tiller, or 2) Moldboard plow, then disk, etc.

I think the burn-down followed by disking would be easiest. I see (only) one on craigslist within 200 miles of central Indiana. Not sure where you are located. This one is in Ky. It looks a bit rough, but it looks heavy, and that is what you need. I can't tell if says he has already replaced the bearings, or if they NEED to be replaced.

5.5 3point disk

Thanks. That unit looks ROUGH. It says field ready so I would think that means bearings are replaced, but who knows. I am in Northern Indiana so that is like a 9 hour (one way) drive for me.

Got a couple leads on used tillers though now so one of those may pan out.

 

[Bud Soda]

!0 ac is a lot for a small tractor. Hire it done.

 

[Tractor Time with Tim]

Thanks. That unit looks ROUGH. It says field ready so I would think that means bearings are replaced, but who knows. I am in Northern Indiana so that is like a 9 hour (one way) drive for me.

Got a couple leads on used tillers though now so one of those may pan out.

I guess I should drive up and help you. Wouldn't take TOO long with two tillers ...or maybe you could host a 'plow day' of sorts?

 

[TheMan419]

!0 ac is a lot for a small tractor. Hire it done.

The seat time is therapeutic for me plus getting additional experience will be good.

 

[jenkinsph]

I suggest a 4' forward rotation tiller would be the best for your uses. Might want to see if you can rent one in your locale. I would not bother with a small disc, just not a good match for your tractor.

 

[Bud Soda]

The seat time is therapeutic for me plus getting additional experience will be good.

I understand. Will work the little tractor to death. Lots of fuel and time. I do 20 acres with 75 hp using a 4 bottom plow and a 12' disk and it takes a lot of fuel and Time. If I was just doing 10 acres I would still want the same equipment I use.

 

[sweettractors]

Yes my tractor has tires lol... they are R4's. I am certainly looking used. The ideal situation would be to buy used, get the project done and sell it. Rental (if I can find one) would be an option too, but that puts you under time pressure. Of course I am under time pressure to get it done so that grass can be planted in the spring planting season. Usually mid May around here for grass. Hence my need to start looking now.

If it were me, I would reconsider selling the disc/tiller after this job. With that much acreage, you may be surprised how often you may need these tools. Ken Sweet