DK40SE Squeal When Moving in Reverse.

[Coyote machine]

I also for one just believe that its simply a harmonic sound issue, and the steel pipes were causing this noise. By switching the pipe to rubber, this eliminated the issue. Its interesting to note that this noise only happened when the whether was cold and the fluids thinner. Didnt happen in colder climates. The power of the transmission wasnt affected by this.

I really believe some are making this out to be too great of an issue. I had a Ford Taurus that blew the transmission a little after 100,000 miles on it. When i took it to the transmission shop...the service tech told me flat out that nearly all older ford taurus's blew the tranny around 100,000 mi due to some plastic throw out parts in them. It was a known manufacturers defect and FORD did nothing to fix the old rigs or even acknowledge the issue... after 100,000 miles why should they.



MInd you Ford changed those parts in later rigs, but didnt repair the first vehicles affected. This is how ALL car companies react.

Even when my tractor made these noises, no effect on tractor was noticed. (ie harmonics again). Also nice to note that alot of Kubotas and even my neighbord JD HST unit are saying the same things about their HST trannies.

What didn't happen in colder climates? Ever been to Maine or Vermont in winter?!:confused2:
How are you determining the transmission power was not affected?

Just like the rest of us you're entitled to express your opinion, right or wrong, but declaring that some of us are making to much of this issue is not helpful. If you're satisfied with the rubber hose routine then so be it, for YOU.
Exploding Taurus, so what?
Other tractor manufacturers experiencing similar problems? Again so what? They may be buying from the same manufacturer of transmissions, and should also be seeking resolution to the problems with their engineers.

Kioti is my only tractor, and I'm confident that they may find a solution to the underlying problem, IF they're kept focused on it by their customers who want resolution, not TEMPORARY fixes and band-aids for their expensive tractors.

What other companies, Ford, Deere, etc. do or don't do to resolve car/tractor issues at 100K miles, or other brand tractor issues is between them and their customers, and is largely irrelevant to this discussion. This problem for most of us who actually have it, started within hours of bringing the tractor home. It has and had nothing to do with attachments like backhoes, etc. So maybe we could keep this thread focused on the problem at hand, because I for one know there are quite a few others who would like this issue FIXED before they are 4 1/2 years out and their warranty has expired.
This type of problem is exactly what we paid big money for a new tractor for in the first place- when a problem occurs and is brought to the selling dealer's attention and then to the regional rep and Kioti Corporate it is their job and legal obligation under the warranty to FIX the problem to their customer's satisfaction.
This has NOT occurred in any sense of the word FIXED, to date.

 

[grsthegreat]

What didn't happen in colder climates? Ever been to Maine or Vermont in winter?!:confused2:
How are you determining the transmission power was not affected?

Just like the rest of us you're entitled to express your opinion, right or wrong, but declaring that some of us are making to much of this issue is not helpful. If you're satisfied with the rubber hose routine then so be it, for YOU.
Exploding Taurus, so what?
Other tractor manufacturers experiencing similar problems? Again so what? They may be buying from the same manufacturer of transmissions, and should also be seeking resolution to the problems with their engineers.

Kioti is my only tractor, and I'm confident that they may find a solution to the underlying problem, IF they're kept focused on it by their customers who want resolution, not TEMPORARY fixes and band-aids for their expensive tractors.

What other companies, Ford, Deere, etc. do or don't do to resolve car/tractor issues at 100K miles, or other brand tractor issues is between them and their customers, and is largely irrelevant to this discussion. This problem for most of us who actually have it, started within hours of bringing the tractor home. It has and had nothing to do with attachments like backhoes, etc. So maybe we could keep this thread focused on the problem at hand, because I for one know there are quite a few others who would like this issue FIXED before they are 4 1/2 years out and their warranty has expired.
This type of problem is exactly what we paid big money for a new tractor for in the first place- when a problem occurs and is brought to the selling dealer's attention and then to the regional rep and Kioti Corporate it is their job and legal obligation under the warranty to FIX the problem to their customer's satisfaction.
This has NOT occurred in any sense of the word FIXED, to date.

ya well, whatever. anyone is allowed to worry themselves into an early grave over a non issue also. to each their own. Its obviously just a noise....not a grinding of gears or anything like that. If a correction eliminates the noise, then the issue is solved.
dont have to be sherlock holmes to see that

 

[IslandTractor]

Coyote, keep in mind that the real problem may actually be the external lines. It may be the actual cause not just the symptom. Waiting for the "real" answer may not be realistic as there is no particular reason to doubt the idea that the lines themselves are the cause. If Kioti would just commit to a service bulletin it would establish that as the current understanding and also provide the underpinning for an extended warranty if they turn out to be wrong.

 

[Coyote machine]

ya well, whatever. anyone is allowed to worry themselves into an early grave over a non issue also. to each their own'

So now it's: "ya well, whatever."
Seems you're the one who WANTED to join the club of those who have the noise. Read your earliest posts asking about the noise, expressing curiosity about it, and then finally describing what noise you were hearing and being told you likely DID NOT have the noise the rest of us have. And then you went ahead and got your dealer to come out and do the hose change anyway?!:confused2: Guess you're the one with the "non issue"
So yeah, whatever...do you even have a dog in this race?
If not, allow the rest of us to seek out resolution to our tractor's problems.
Thanks.

 

[grsthegreat]

So now it's: "ya well, whatever."
Seems you're the one who WANTED to join the club of those who have the noise. Read your earliest posts asking about the noise, expressing curiosity about it, and then finally describing what noise you were hearing and being told you likely DID NOT have the noise the rest of us have. And then you went ahead and got your dealer to come out and do the hose change anyway?!:confused2: Guess you're the one with the "non issue"
So yeah, whatever...do you even have a dog in this race?
If not, allow the rest of us to seek out resolution to our tractor's problems.
Thanks.

what is your problem. does only your thoughts count and the rest of us are morons or what.

If my brakes squeal and the mechanic stops the squeal i dont ask to see a report on braking efficiencies changed by the new pads or have the hydraulic brake pressures checked. I pay him and say thank you and drive off.

If the squeal is fixed, than im happy. Seams to me you think theres a hidden agenda from Kioti to brush this under the carpet, and im saying i dont think so. they are talking to my dealer about possible repairs after they have checked with their manufacturer. They sent the parts to my dealer, and he put them on my tractor. So i dont see any hidden agenda...sorry

 

[Coyote machine]

Coyote, keep in mind that the real problem may actually be the external lines. It may be the actual cause not just the symptom. Waiting for the "real" answer may not be realistic as there is no particular reason to doubt the idea that the lines themselves are the cause. If Kioti would just commit to a service bulletin it would establish that as the current understanding and also provide the underpinning for an extended warranty if they turn out to be wrong.

Island,
I hear you on that it MAY/MIGHT be the actual cause of the noise, BUT as you stated, until Kioti speaks officially, through a service bulletin, for instance, I'm not inclined to take what Kattywumpas described as the East Coat's Zone Rep's "Temporary Fix" ( rubber hose and fitting replacing steel line) solution to the problem as being the final answer- if for no other reason than if it isn't, and we run out of warranty, and THEN Kioti comes up with a real fix all of us who run out the warranty are screwed. IF the rubber hose routine ends up being the "official fix" I will accept that and expect Kioti to have my dealer install it at Kioti's expense.

 

[RJJR]

Coyote, keep in mind that the real problem may actually be the external lines. It may be the actual cause not just the symptom. Waiting for the "real" answer may not be realistic as there is no particular reason to doubt the idea that the lines themselves are the cause. If Kioti would just commit to a service bulletin it would establish that as the current understanding and also provide the underpinning for an extended warranty if they turn out to be wrong.

+1 on the service bulletin.
RJJR

 

[IslandTractor]

+1 on the service bulletin.
RJJR

I'm not holding my breath but I hope those of you who have the squeal are squealing to Kioti about the lack of such a service bulletin. I recall that several of the TBN active dealers were helpful in going through dealer channels to Kioti during the cracked loader fiasco period. They eventually came up with a remediation program/bulletin but man oh man did it take a long time. As I noted earlier, the issue seems to be lack of leadership at Kioti. My guess is that the engineers know that they think and could write up a bulletin tomorrow but the corporate chiefs are reluctant to put it out until they have covered their butts. That makes me think that the president/CEO is more of a bean counter than a stand up leader.

 

[Coyote machine]

what is your problem. does only your thoughts count and the rest of us are morons or what.

If my brakes squeal and the mechanic stops the squeal i dont ask to see a report on braking efficiencies changed by the new pads or have the hydraulic brake pressures checked. I pay him and say thank you and drive off.

If the squeal is fixed, than im happy. Seams to me you think theres a hidden agenda from Kioti to brush this under the carpet, and im saying i dont think so. they are talking to my dealer about possible repairs after they have checked with their manufacturer. They sent the parts to my dealer, and he put them on my tractor. So i dont see any hidden agenda...sorry

If you're happy with the fix that has been given to you by your dealer then TERRIFIC ! Can you let the rest of us- including Kattywumpas, who was the originator of this thread, (who BTW, said the new hydro-stat pump replacement AND the flex rubber hose designed by Kioti and installed by their East Coast's Regional Rep's technician DID NOT solve the problem); let us continue to pursue a solution to this without being told were making too much of it all. Ok? Can we move on now?
Thanks.

 

[grsthegreat]

If you're happy with the fix that has been given to you by your dealer then TERRIFIC ! Can you let the rest of us- including Kattywumpas, who was the originator of this thread, (who BTW, said the new hydro-stat pump replacement AND the flex rubber hose designed by Kioti and installed by their East Coast's Regional Rep's technician DID NOT solve the problem); let us continue to pursue a solution to this without being told were making too much of it all. Ok? Can we move on now?
Thanks.

Thats fine..ill let you rant on your own. Im cancelling myself from this thread. nite