DL 95 vs DL 100 loaders for GC series

AxleHub · May 29, 2015

burnm said:
Cylinder force is the product of hydraulic pressure and the area of the cylinder. GPM from the pump only impacts cycle time.

I am wondering if the GC's actually output 2227 psi? Seems high to me for a smaller tractor and i read somewhere they output ~1900 psi. If this is the case, then these lift numbers they are publishing are garbage. Thats what I'd love to confirm.

But logic fails if the only meaningful impact is the pump. Brands and models of loaders all vary in performance with the same pump pressure because loader geometry leverages that pump pressure differently.

Now if the dl95 and the dl100 loaders had the exact same geometry . . Then hydraulic pump output would be the only variable . . but geometry alters leverage and leverage alters the combination of speed of movement and weight/distance moved. At least thats what I remember from long long ago math and physics classes. Could geometry and 1900 psi pressure alter weight or speed performance ?

TSO · May 29, 2015

I don't have the specs in front of me ... But the new loader might also be lighter than the old one, which would result in increased lift capacity also.

burnm · May 29, 2015

I am sorry for not being clear. What I am saying is that they are measuring their DL95 lift based on a hydraulic pressure of 2227 psi (likely hooked up to some loader testing machine or however else they get their lift numbers) BUT The actual tractor only produces 1914 psi.

I.e. In lab test, loader gets 2227 psi. In field, loader actually only sees 1914 psi.

Since 1914/2227 is 85%, the true lift numbers are only 85% of what Massey is claiming (therefore, dl95 would actually lift 740lbs at pin, not 870 lbs)

My math and physics are not wrong. The only thing I am not sure about is the relief pressure for the GC, but I am pretty sure 1914 psi is right (or close)

AxleHub · Jun 28, 2015

Greetings,

When I ordered my gc1715 I specified I wanted the dl95 loader even though the only loaders I had physically seen were the dl100.

After taking delivery I was initially pleased with the Dl95 choice.

But now after a couple weeks and some better observation . . I'm more than just pleased . . I'm very glad.

I'm sure the dl100 is a fine loader . . . but now I see bigger differences than at inital delivery.

1. The level of hose line protection for the dl95 is substantial. Lines aren't just out of the way . . They are run inside the frame arms.

2. And speaking of the fel frame arms . . . they are smoothly curved yet substantial . . . And greese fittings are many.

3. No negatives intended to the dl100 fel . . . but the dl95 unit is cleaner in design with much red showing and black covered hydraulic lines tucked, hidden, or unnoticed by design.

Stronger or more specs . . that I can't say . . But a nice upgrade regardless.

burnm · Jun 28, 2015

Have you had a chance to disconnect the loader much? When I was deciding between the gc vs the bx two months ago, I went to 2 massey dealers and both of them took 10 or 15 minutes trying to drop the dl95 loader ( kept changing the position of the kick stand and fiddling, the loader would just not rock off of the frame. Both times I had to stand in the bucket to get it free)

I wasn't sure if it was just our inexperience with the new loader or if it has an inherent balance issue.

I ended up getting the bx25d. 10 hours , So far so good. I drop and connect the loader and hoe almost weekly, and it is simple, quick, and is easily done the first time, everytime.

AxleHub · Jun 28, 2015

burnm said:
Have you had a chance to disconnect the loader much? When I was deciding between the gc vs the bx two months ago, I went to 2 massey dealers and both of them took 10 or 15 minutes trying to drop the dl95 loader ( kept changing the position of the kick stand and fiddling, the loader would just not rock off of the frame. Both times I had to stand in the bucket to get it free)

I wasn't sure if it was just our inexperience with the new loader or if it has an inherent balance issue.

I ended up getting the bx25d. 10 hours , So far so good. I drop and connect the loader and hoe almost weekly, and it is simple, quick, and is easily done the first time, everytime.

Great question. When they delivered my unit . . the sales guy spent easily 15 minutes showing me how to take it off (1 time and 15 minutes). Needless to say it made me a bit nervous but machines don't intimidate me easily.

Then he left with the fel off. I'd never seen it put on . . But . . . It took me a few minutes to hookup the hydo lines because one was being fussy. Then on my 1st time putting the fel on it took about 1.5 minutes and I had it on . . Mounting it is easy.

So then I used it and went to remove it. Glad to say it didn't take 15 minutes . . Maybe 4 tries and 5 minutes total. By the second time I was removing it . . I was down to 2 minutes and I'll get better each time. The secret is to watch the mounts to tractor motion . . Not the bucket movement. . . . . And . . Be on a relatively flat hard surface.

After 3 weeks and several cycles in that time . . Its very easy on and mostly easy off. And after the first issue with the one hydro line connector . . Never a problem since.

I really like how when you take the fel off . . You could let it stand out in a big storm and nothing will tip it over . . Even trying to tip it over.

I'd like some time . . To test the dl100. I'd say the build of the dl95 is superior as is the hydro lines setup for it.

madhatter · Jun 29, 2015

So far I am happy with the new DL95 loader. Seems to lift more than the older loader which is nice. My DL100 bucket edge was almost wore off, but the new bucket with the beefier edge seems more robust. The hoses in in the loader are a nice touch, but I did add some tie wraps to the hoses where they meet at the cross bar as they looked messy. Biggest beef is taking the loader off as I need to stand on the bucket to get it to release. My old DL100 did not require this. Putting it on however is just as easy as the DL100.

AxleHub · Jun 29, 2015

madhatter said:
So far I am happy with the new DL95 loader. Seems to lift more than the older loader which is nice. My DL100 bucket edge was almost wore off, but the new bucket with the beefier edge seems more robust. The hoses in in the loader are a nice touch, but I did add some tie wraps to the hoses where they meet at the cross bar as they looked messy. Biggest beef is taking the loader off as I need to stand on the bucket to get it to release. My old DL100 did not require this. Putting it on however is just as easy as the DL100.

Greetings madhatter. I'm curious why you have to stand on the bucket in fel removal.

There are several setting locations where the "stands " can be set . . I choose the steepest one . . Then I pull the large mount pins and get back on the tractor and commence tipping the bucket. The concept as explained to me is that when properly released . . Then the whole fel unit tips forward on its own. At that point I get off and unhook the hydro lines. I don't leave the seat until I'm going to unhook the lines.

madhatter · Jun 29, 2015

AxleHub said:
Greetings madhatter. I'm curious why you have to stand on the bucket in fel removal.

There are several setting locations where the "stands " can be set . . I choose the steepest one . . Then I pull the large mount pins and get back on the tractor and commence tipping the bucket. The concept as explained to me is that when properly released . . Then the whole fel unit tips forward on its own. At that point I get off and unhook the hydro lines. I don't leave the seat until I'm going to unhook the lines.

Ya I am not sure why.... I have tried all the different positions. Could just be where I took it off, as I have had it come off without stepping on the bucket a few times. Not a big deal....